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ProView: Phil Galfond Reviews LarsKissa at $1/$2 6-Max PLO

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Phil Galfond

POSTED Dec 31, 2014

Phil takes a look as some hands provided by Run It Once member LarsKissa and discusses his PLO games.

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buinic 10 years, 3 months ago

In the first hand I would normally re-raise preflop with a double suited like that without an ace, because my flush in much more likely to be good against one player rather than two. And also my hand will be perceived stronger than it is, because I rarely re-raise from out of position, which is always good.
Would love to hear if you see a flaw in that play.
Great video

Phil Galfond 10 years, 3 months ago

If you're re-raising hands like this, it's probably not going to be true that you rarely re-raise from out of position.

While there are some hands that prefer to shut other players out of the pot by 3-betting, usually you only aim to do that when there hasn't been a caller of the initial open raise yet. Here, if we 3bet, it's very likely we'll get called in both spots.

Because of that, we mainly want to be 3betting in PLO for one simple reason: We want to get more money in the pot.

KT75ds isn't strong enough or playable enough that I'd want to bloat the pot here. I would want a hand like KQT9ds or better.

Pplbamba 10 years, 3 months ago

7:20 AAJ6 vs sb:
sb three bet range against your UTG range likely pretty tight so
$3b8o minus AA since he did not get it in
flop is 50-50 equity-wise
SQEQ: 32:09

he has flushes 30% of the time, he has two pair or better (which i presume usually constitutes KK combos almost exclusively) an additional 10% of the time, and then K+ an additional 17%

his 40% 63+ and hh range has 93% equity against your hand

with just his 17% k+ (without 63+ or hh) he has 34% equity against your range (so you do gain a very slight amount of EV with your exact hand by having him fold rather than call a shove with this part of his range)

against the 43% of his range that is not K+ he has 21% equity

if you shove and he calls 63+ and hh and folds everything else you make $46

if you bet $30 and presume he balances by just calling his entire continuing range of
63+,hh,K+ then you make $62 immediately but have very tough turn and river decisions IMO- and you also have to deal with contingency of him possibly c/r balanced with some flushes and perhaps the occasional blocker against your bet or choosing to bluff this blocker on subsequent streets
Against his calling range, you only have requisite equity to get it in on 18 different turn cards (presuming he isn’t overfolding), constituting the bottom end of the deck 6 and below and Ax. A lot of cards are pretty close.

if you check and manage to win just your share of the pot on subsequent streets you make $71

so it seems to me that you should be able to do better than shoving by betting small or checking back but that depends on your ability to be able to balance this hand with the rest of your range that would take these actions and play decently well against what should be a relatively polarized range on his part and also a subset of hands (K+) more capable of realizing their equity. Against an opponent who plays more straight-forwardly and may even fold some K+ to a very small bet, betting small seems best, especially if that opponent would shove sometimes and almost never as a bluff- would make your turn and river decisions much easier. Against someone extremely tough and capable of balancing and realizing equity and putting you in really thought situations, checking back might be slightly better. But I don’t know how much these flop numbers might change your assessment of the situation.

Phil Galfond 10 years, 3 months ago

Thank you for running through this! Given your conclusions, it seems like shoving could potentially end up being better than checking, given that this is very much a reverse implied odds hand. We likely won't catch anything that will make us eager to put money in, and when he properly adds bluffs to his value range we will have to fold away some of our equity in the pot (or call and lose to his value more often than beat his bluffs).

I like your overall conclusion though - we probably can do best by betting small and coming up with a way to build our range around that. Nice work.

Darley_Arabian 10 years, 3 months ago

Really liked this format. I like to see reviews of hands with comments on all sorts of spots not just close or difficult ones so this video was great for that. Also really happy to see a non zoom review.

OMG_IM_SEXY 10 years, 3 months ago

Hey Phil,
I won the $530 PLO 6-max event on stars last monday. Is that a session you would be interested in reviewing?

Phil Galfond 10 years, 3 months ago

Perhaps, but I have a lot of footage waiting for me and I find that people prefer cash PLO videos to MTT PLO. If you'll contact support@runitonce.com and let them know you'd like to submit a hand history - I can't promise I'll use it but I may sometime. Especially if demand for PLO MTT reviews pick up!

JerseyGrinder23 10 years, 3 months ago

Hey Phil,

On hand two you mentioned number crunching is crucial to figuring out this spot better. Any poker tools you would recommend to analyze this spot better? I have heard of a few good ones, but not sure which is the best to buy. I really don't mind crunching some numbers for Omaha... much more exciting to crunch numbers in Omaha than Hold'em anyways.

Phil Galfond 10 years, 3 months ago

Pro Poker Tools Odds Oracle, with or without PokerJuice on top of it, works very well. PokerJuice makes it a little more user-friendly.

Omaha Ranger is a program I've heard great things about but have never used myself.

knircky 10 years, 3 months ago

Thx Phil. This vid was awesome. I am learning PLO and it really helps to hear every key decision point explained by you for each hand.

At the same time you went thru the hands fairly quickly.

More like this would be great.

Phil Galfond 10 years, 3 months ago

Thank you, knircky. I'll make another one from this session of HHs for either my next essential video or the one after that. And if I forget to, please bug me and remind me!

Ph33roX 10 years, 3 months ago

I did some number crunching on hand two and as I expected shoving the flop is very profitable. Here is a snapshot of the spot:

I gave villain a 8% OOP 3bet range in PokerJuice and I assumed he stacks off on the flop with every hand that has sufficient equity to stack off against AA.

As it turns out, he is folding 52% of the time. 48% of the time he stacks off and hero has 16% equity against villain's stack off range. Overall hero profits 43.25$ on the shove.

Hero has 48% against villain's preflop range on this board. This equals to a 70$ share in the pot. However since hero holds a very middling hand it is very unlikely that he can realize all of his equity or close to it. Shoving the flop allows hero to realize ~62% of his equity in the pot and I think that's gonna be hard to beat using other lines unless we have a very good read on how to exploit villain.

This is a situation that I have covered pretty well in an article that I've written:. I hope it's OK to share here because it is very relevant to the discussed situation.

Azatazos95 10 years, 2 months ago

Hey Phil,

In hand #3 you mention that you like the fact that villain doesn't C-bet the flop. Can you elaborate on that comment?

Thanks

YouHuffAndPuff 9 years, 10 months ago

At 32:00 I at first thought It was strange to shove with second set + FD, but after running through PPT, his play seems good.

If both of them have a straight, we have awesome equity if we can GII on the turn. If we smooth call and river pairs or flushes, we likely get a fold from them, losing out on a lot of value.

We're not even in that terrible of shape assuming one has top set and the other has the current nuts.
TLDR: His stack-off makes sense.

Ephedrine10 8 years, 8 months ago

hi! I might be wrong, but I'm always betting the turn at 23:50: I very often have the best hand, since there are no straights, very few sets, few 2 pairs out (these bet the flop). What hands ARE out, are QJ and medium FD type hands, which will fold to my bet and I will fold out a lot of EQ, potentially get some value.

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