22:37 88 does not play better as a cbet on K63dd ? On KJ3 I rather try to show down it but on K63 we have a reasonable range advantage and checking 88 is giving away too much equity since we have at least 20 cards on the deck that we need to check again if we decide to not cbet and we are on a tough spot when the rundown comes two overcards to the 8 and sb bets the river.
44:23 A4 on AK8 I rather check back also since there very few turns we can bet and even facing a bet OTR we are not that comfortable to call 100% so the flop bet becomes something more to a bet exploiting the blocking value of Ax than really to expected to get called by worse and happily call river. In grind4fame shoes, was not a good spot to turn any 8x, Kx into a bluff ? Since he has more Tx than we do OTR, does not his whole range plays better on a overbet against a range that is nearly capped ? If lipe had QT he sure bomb turn, probably wont cbet T8/KT. Maybe JT he can play this way since he has a bit of showdown value OTT but I am not sure if he has enough to shut down and fold any river that is not a Q.
88: I think you misread the action, we raised then called a 3bet and 3bettor checked to us. On this board we really need to check back because most villain's will tend to c-bet the majority of their air on this board, meaning that when they check, they are checking with hands that are frequently better than ours - Kx and 99+. It's a good strategy because the 3bettor can also check to chk/call with stuff like AQ/AJ/AT with the intention of bluffing rivers when you inevitably check back the turn with your 88. You'll be forced to fold far too much and you'll be quite exploitable by betting the 8s there. Against weak players betting is fine, but against most regs at even stakes like 1/2 I think it's a clear check.
A4: I agree with you that it's a good spot for villain to turn all of his weak SD value into a bluff repping the straight. I don't think it's necessary for him to overbet though because as you said, hero has very few straights in his range and will be forced to fold the majority of his range to any reasonably sized bet.
18:35 "Its always more difficult to make the decision to call or to fold than it is to bet...and that's why I do that" I know what you are saying and I agree with you partially, it IS easier because we all have more experience with tweaking our betting ranges than we do with our x/c, x/r, x/f ranges but that doesn't mean that the easier decision to bet is the most +EV. I tried to make a similar point in a previous post after a video of yours and you took an awkwardly high amount of offense to it, and I suspect your may react the same, but I think that the reasoning for choosing an action needs to be stronger than this, starting off with some assumptions about our villain. Obviously, there is no way in hell I would expect someone to memorize several different villain turn and river tendencies, but I would rather hear you reason it out. i.e. "This villain's range (or the typical opponent in a 100NL Zoom pool) may be heavy with [hand type A], I think he's going to be over or under folding/calling/betting in this spot with those hands, therefore I think we should choose action [X,Y,Z]."
I'm surprised I would take offence to a comment like that. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else?
Anyways, yeah I agree with you that it's not always the most +ev option but I don't think its necessary to always make the most +ev play at every point. There are certain things I do for reasons other than making the most ev. The main reason I'd choose that is to avoid tilting. If I force myself to play guessing games in spots and give my opponents chances to put me in very difficult spots frequently, then if I start guessing wrong I might start to doubt my game which will cause me to play worse. The other reason I might choose to not take the most +ev line is for my sanity. I like to avoid variance and I want to win as much money as I can without putting a lot at risk. An example of something like this would be like not having a 3bet range from OOP when 150bb+ deep. Yeah it's true I'm not going to win as much as some of the elite crushers but I also won't have as crazy swings.
I wouldn't say that I haven't worked a ton focusing on my checking ranges and making them balanced, it's just a more difficult way to play. Against very strong players at certain times I definitely need to do this, but I don't really like it as a standard against everybody because as I said, I feel I don't have to.
I think one of the other reasons I made that comment was just because I felt a lot of guys are going to be putting themselves in situations that they are going to make even bigger mistakes. It's a very advanced strategy to play and if you aren't able to do it well your winrate will probably suffer. Maybe I should have said it in that way instead.
either would be great, all your videos are excellent in my opinion, but marginally i would prefer you to continue with your initial plan with this HU. I'm a plo player, but I've learnt loads of things that can be applied in the 4 card variant so thanks v much
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22:37 88 does not play better as a cbet on K63dd ? On KJ3 I rather try to show down it but on K63 we have a reasonable range advantage and checking 88 is giving away too much equity since we have at least 20 cards on the deck that we need to check again if we decide to not cbet and we are on a tough spot when the rundown comes two overcards to the 8 and sb bets the river.
44:23 A4 on AK8 I rather check back also since there very few turns we can bet and even facing a bet OTR we are not that comfortable to call 100% so the flop bet becomes something more to a bet exploiting the blocking value of Ax than really to expected to get called by worse and happily call river. In grind4fame shoes, was not a good spot to turn any 8x, Kx into a bluff ? Since he has more Tx than we do OTR, does not his whole range plays better on a overbet against a range that is nearly capped ? If lipe had QT he sure bomb turn, probably wont cbet T8/KT. Maybe JT he can play this way since he has a bit of showdown value OTT but I am not sure if he has enough to shut down and fold any river that is not a Q.
Thank you for another great video here.
Hi Raphael,
88: I think you misread the action, we raised then called a 3bet and 3bettor checked to us. On this board we really need to check back because most villain's will tend to c-bet the majority of their air on this board, meaning that when they check, they are checking with hands that are frequently better than ours - Kx and 99+. It's a good strategy because the 3bettor can also check to chk/call with stuff like AQ/AJ/AT with the intention of bluffing rivers when you inevitably check back the turn with your 88. You'll be forced to fold far too much and you'll be quite exploitable by betting the 8s there. Against weak players betting is fine, but against most regs at even stakes like 1/2 I think it's a clear check.
A4: I agree with you that it's a good spot for villain to turn all of his weak SD value into a bluff repping the straight. I don't think it's necessary for him to overbet though because as you said, hero has very few straights in his range and will be forced to fold the majority of his range to any reasonably sized bet.
omg I saw the hand twice and did not see the action properly, sorry. ty man, agree with what you said.
18:35 "Its always more difficult to make the decision to call or to fold than it is to bet...and that's why I do that" I know what you are saying and I agree with you partially, it IS easier because we all have more experience with tweaking our betting ranges than we do with our x/c, x/r, x/f ranges but that doesn't mean that the easier decision to bet is the most +EV. I tried to make a similar point in a previous post after a video of yours and you took an awkwardly high amount of offense to it, and I suspect your may react the same, but I think that the reasoning for choosing an action needs to be stronger than this, starting off with some assumptions about our villain. Obviously, there is no way in hell I would expect someone to memorize several different villain turn and river tendencies, but I would rather hear you reason it out. i.e. "This villain's range (or the typical opponent in a 100NL Zoom pool) may be heavy with [hand type A], I think he's going to be over or under folding/calling/betting in this spot with those hands, therefore I think we should choose action [X,Y,Z]."
nice vid otherwise
I'm surprised I would take offence to a comment like that. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else?
Anyways, yeah I agree with you that it's not always the most +ev option but I don't think its necessary to always make the most +ev play at every point. There are certain things I do for reasons other than making the most ev. The main reason I'd choose that is to avoid tilting. If I force myself to play guessing games in spots and give my opponents chances to put me in very difficult spots frequently, then if I start guessing wrong I might start to doubt my game which will cause me to play worse. The other reason I might choose to not take the most +ev line is for my sanity. I like to avoid variance and I want to win as much money as I can without putting a lot at risk. An example of something like this would be like not having a 3bet range from OOP when 150bb+ deep. Yeah it's true I'm not going to win as much as some of the elite crushers but I also won't have as crazy swings.
I wouldn't say that I haven't worked a ton focusing on my checking ranges and making them balanced, it's just a more difficult way to play. Against very strong players at certain times I definitely need to do this, but I don't really like it as a standard against everybody because as I said, I feel I don't have to.
I think one of the other reasons I made that comment was just because I felt a lot of guys are going to be putting themselves in situations that they are going to make even bigger mistakes. It's a very advanced strategy to play and if you aren't able to do it well your winrate will probably suffer. Maybe I should have said it in that way instead.
Do you guys wanna see the rest of the bovada HU footage or would you rather see some mid-high'ish stakes HH review?
HH review or 6max session review imo.
I w/ Chael I would much rather see a HH review or 6 max session review (thought your 6 max stuff was very good for me and helped me a lot).
either would be great, all your videos are excellent in my opinion, but marginally i would prefer you to continue with your initial plan with this HU. I'm a plo player, but I've learnt loads of things that can be applied in the 4 card variant so thanks v much
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