ProView: Lottenice vs DANMERRRRR at $25/$50 (Part 2)
Posted by Kevin Rabichow
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Fun series, i'd love to see more of these!
Agreed, learned a lot from both of these videos
Yeah this part was really good. Would like to see more of this format.
hi kevin,
at 4:28 lotten's psb after turn check thru, what are the hands you say will want to use this sizing? it's not so apparent to me what this range is, 84, T4, maybe Q4? isn't he going to lack flushes and/or straights with this bet/check/bet line, either that or his bet/bet/bet lines on this runout will lack them? doesn't that seem problematic for using a psb here?
btw, fake misclick? like I don't understand, it's used vs. a tilting player to try to induce or something?
thx!
@4:28, yeah I think the 2prs with a 4 are willing to size up here, or the occasional JTdd type hand, but it wouldn't surprise me too much if he had decided this was going to be an effective bet size with a bluff.
re:misclick - I've played vs him and railed him a few times at 25/50 and it seemed like he had a setting on table ninja to spit out this sizing ($1640.52) that looks a lot like his standard cbet ($164.52). No idea how he decides when he's going to use it.
About 21 min in you talk about sizing up Cbet on a 932 rainbow flop, (presuming your talking about pot size bet?) you say it's because button has a range advantage, can you explain in abit more detail other bords like this, and also just clarify why the button sizes up in this situation with range advantage but on ace high bords button sizes down with a range advantage, am I right in saying the only reason is for protection?
I think this has to do with how vaguely we use the term 'range advantage' in a lot of spots, I'm not sure the terminology is really meant to mean the same thing by everyone who uses it.
On a 932r flop, I think it refers to the idea that making a nut hand (2pr+) in the bb is very difficult, because defending {93o,92o,32,} isn't profitable against a tight button open and 3betting 99 is the higher EV play preflop. On an A85 flop, making nut hands is substantially easier for bb, A8o and A5o have standard preflop calls and 88/85o are likely sometimes in a cold calling range as well. The advantage on A85 is in different places, the wide cluster of hands around {AT-AK} that makes up so many combinations of pretty good non-nut hands, plus the fact that any actual nut hand is shared in both players' ranges, means that the button has a generally stronger range and gets to be aggressive here more often.
It's more precise to think about range distributions and figure out where the strengths and weaknesses are in each players' preflop range on a given texture. Huge sizings being used at a high frequency are a rarely used strategy, because it only works when your opponent is able to beat a pretty common hand (overpairs, in this case) at a very low frequency, as is the case on 932r.
Think this was a well structured format, would like to see more of this from players who have solid gameplans. If you could touch more on the exploitative side of things when you say that a player is out of equilibrium on a certain street, and the necessary adjustments with varying parts of the other players range that need to be made.
Great video Kevin. Really enjoyed the format and would love to see more of these types of videos. Have you seen Kanu and wilhasha battling recently? I think that would be a fun one.
I think that if I covered a match like that, I'd be wrong about their ranges in literally every spot and catch myself saying "ummmmm" a whole lot more than usual on recording.
Yep seems about right you should do it
great video.
at 4min on 932, you say ppl realize that u can size up bc oop has severe range disadvantage. I see you discuss this above as well.
Isnt there also a reason to size down bc it will be so hard to defend enough for OOP and protection is fairly important as so many random hands have equity? It seems similar to me as paired boards, and ppl generally choose smaller sizes on paired boards. I guess tho, ur just deciding that ur overpairs are so strong and he has so few 2pr/set that u wanna just make a large pot with TT-AA and will sacrifice some protection for the rest of your range.
Yeah, I'm choosing to stick with one size here and I think the EV gain for top pair+ type hands makes pot the better size. I'd use multiple sizes if I was more comfortable with balancing the range split and this would certainly accomplish both benefits that we're interested in.
I didn't see the comments above and the strategy to cbet pot on those kind of board is pretty interesting. I was wondering how we should balance our checking back range on flop to not get exploited by villains.
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