66 pre probably fine in Sunday Mil against most players but don't you think it would be marginal against anyone decent who barrels at either somewhat correct or slightly too high of frequnecies when we are OOP and not closing the action?
Really liked the video. Like that you pointed out people are over defending the bb. I found myself doing the same (calling Ax vs any minraise). I wonder who the blinds need to be for you to not raise A2o on the btn lol
Denis there some hands that have good raw equity still have trouble realizing it (esp. v competent players) A2o makes to be the best hand when looking at 3 random hands but certainly doesn't play great post. That said, yes it is almost always an open but could be argued that replacing the A2o open in that spot with a hand like 64s would make you more money when stacks are deep.
great review by jason obviously but I wanted to stop watching as soon as I saw him cold calls a 3bet w 65s, no winning player would ever do something like that also the peel w A4s to flop 3bet on the T8x board was atrocious.
One thing I do want to say is that I disagree with his sizing being to small when he 3bet out of sb to the BU raise w his 67s or w.e (and i probably wouldnt be doing that this early with no antes and only his 240 in the pot) so whats reason for making it 4x like you suggested, to me i think that makes cbetting very costly relative to our stack. I would tend to agree with you in live tournaments for his cbet sizing being too small etc. in some pots but online less than half pot seems to be the standard and you also commented on his 2/3 pot cbet being to small, but I cant imagine me ever betting more then 2/3 pot in a MTT, is this just because the effective stacks are so deep?
EDIT: THEN HE COLD CALLS AGAIN BUT THIS TIME HES OOP in SB W T9s to 3bet LOL
When we are 3 betting out of position we need to make sure that we are doing a good job of denying our opponent's equity. When we give someone something like 4-1 they can profitably peel basically any 2 cards they were opening with even vs. a tightish 3 betting range having position.
Saying that you almost never bet more than 2/3 pot in a tournament is also a pretty major flaw. There are several spots in any version of NL where you should be betting large vs. capped ranges.
Lastly, lets try to never laugh at someone for trying to get help and improve on their game. I appreciate your feedback and am glad that you are asking questions but we are all working together to become better players and the last thing you/me or anyone should do is look down on someone for reaching out for help.
Thanks alot for the reply. Appreciate it. Yeah i agree with your thinking with the qj hand. standard bet sizing is most definitely going to show more +ev that my 4/5s pot. What i was really trying to do is look super polarized. But i realize a big mistake in a lot of players play is expecting your opponent to understand the language you are trying to illustrate with your poker play. ie some, maybe more thinking players, could look at that bet and realize i'm polarized and don't have a lot of hands in my range that i would bet in this manner, thus in turn, making them call down. However, as played, i should deffo bet around half pot.
As for 3 betting relentlessly, especially in the sunday million, my opponents often fail to adjust. Ie 4 betting with higher frequency and chk raising flops more often. So until they make that adjustment im going to continue to abuse them, and rightly so.
As for 3 betting with smaller sizing. Overall vs fish im definitely going to realize more immediate fold equity by 3 betting larger. Logic. However, when 3 betting smaller than what would be considered optimal, opponents are going to peal lighter and fold vs more cbets so i feel i'm realizing that equity on the flop and its the best overall strategy vs opponents who fail to exploit . Peal, check fold is a trend i like to abuse. Alot.
nice vid. Also hope you are able to make the vid with Brian Rast on your Premierleague play.
min 36 T8s: You said you would raise the Turn. Would you also be doing this with sets or stronger 2pair? And would you also be doing this as a bluff, if so which hands? What worse hands do you expect to be called by? When i am in UTG shoes, i would percieve this raise as pretty strong.
I definitely think we should raise the turn with sets/108s,J10. Sets are definitely more appealing to call the turn sets with than 108 for counterfeit reasons and scare cards keeping us from being able to value bet. The flop is so good for the callers range (the reason why your perception of the raise to be so strong) that we do get to attack it aggressively.
What about over jamming the river on the T8 hand since we didnt raise the turn? Like you said we dont have many bluffs and not that many hands that we would be doing this with for value. One pair type hands are going to check back most of the time so we dont have them in our range if we overjam.
1 thing. At the 25 minute mark we 3bet an LP open with Ah8h and get called. LP leads a 933hh board for pot, and we make an obvious shove with NFD. What do you think of toying with the idea of creating a leading range in LP's shoes on the flop against an aggressive btn 3bettor? We were at the top of our range on this flop, but if we had something like KQo, A2s, or 88, then our decision to shove isn't such an easy decision anymore.
I don't think its necessary on 933 since the board is so much better for the 3-bettors range than ours. If we are making an argument purely for exploiting someone for being much too loose, just check shove all of your non-nut hands that have good equity and check/call the purest monsters.
hi jason, i also posted a comment on the last part of your FT poker KO video. This spot is driving me crazy please take a look! thanks a lot for the great job u're doing!
The Ah5h hand in the begining of the video I also like a lead on the turn for like 1400ish, bc I think that sonic is prolly checking back a decent amount. As played though I think a c/jam is better than a c/r small. The pot is around 6200 when it comes back to you and you have just under 8900 left.
I think a small raise does a few good things for us. 1. we are exploiting the fish to peal with a hand that is drawing dead (qx with heart) and always stacking them unless a 4th heart rolls off when they have any flush. The pot is definitely big enough to make the argument to just go all in now, but if we weigh the pro's and cons of both options I wouldn't necessarily say shoving is best. Spots like this are always so strange because our range is really narrow by the time we start putting money in on the turn 3 way. I have trouble thinking what our bluff would ever be (if we can even have one) when we go all in here. The all out fear of running into the nuts is so large that we may do better simply having a calling range on the turn and protect all of our non-nut bluff catchers. It's an interesting spot, but I'll think more about it and get back to you.
Jason thanks for the video, all ways the best ones.
had loads of fun watching that - much as danielmerrilees when he clicks buttons.
AND 1 MORE THING danelmerrilees in one of you post you say to someone to quick poker. hahahahahahahahaha
i did not like this comment and are you backing your self with this poker. I will play you heads up for all my money on the table. MP if you want a game.
Jason, when you say that KQ and AQ are not too many bluffs, I would say that 32 combos of bluffs is a lot in this spot if Hero's value range is : AJ, QQ, sets, JTs T8s this is only 31 combos, thinner value bets like KJs and QJs only add 6 combos.
"Dan the button clicker". Hahaha. I like this Jason Koon guy. I'm watching his guest appearance on the Poker Life Podcast too. Great guy and evidently quite funny too. Good review I'm learning some things and definitely enjoying watching Dan the button clicker click buttons.
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aww yeaah. had to show my excitement before watching this & awesome hoodie :)
EDIT: Super great content I really enjoyed it, thank you Jason for your analysis of the typical mistakes
66 pre probably fine in Sunday Mil against most players but don't you think it would be marginal against anyone decent who barrels at either somewhat correct or slightly too high of frequnecies when we are OOP and not closing the action?
which spot are you referring to?
Really liked the video. Like that you pointed out people are over defending the bb. I found myself doing the same (calling Ax vs any minraise). I wonder who the blinds need to be for you to not raise A2o on the btn lol
Denis there some hands that have good raw equity still have trouble realizing it (esp. v competent players) A2o makes to be the best hand when looking at 3 random hands but certainly doesn't play great post. That said, yes it is almost always an open but could be argued that replacing the A2o open in that spot with a hand like 64s would make you more money when stacks are deep.
please make more videos! great stuff
great review by jason obviously but I wanted to stop watching as soon as I saw him cold calls a 3bet w 65s, no winning player would ever do something like that also the peel w A4s to flop 3bet on the T8x board was atrocious.
One thing I do want to say is that I disagree with his sizing being to small when he 3bet out of sb to the BU raise w his 67s or w.e (and i probably wouldnt be doing that this early with no antes and only his 240 in the pot) so whats reason for making it 4x like you suggested, to me i think that makes cbetting very costly relative to our stack. I would tend to agree with you in live tournaments for his cbet sizing being too small etc. in some pots but online less than half pot seems to be the standard and you also commented on his 2/3 pot cbet being to small, but I cant imagine me ever betting more then 2/3 pot in a MTT, is this just because the effective stacks are so deep?
EDIT: THEN HE COLD CALLS AGAIN BUT THIS TIME HES OOP in SB W T9s to 3bet LOL
Hi Annouza,
When we are 3 betting out of position we need to make sure that we are doing a good job of denying our opponent's equity. When we give someone something like 4-1 they can profitably peel basically any 2 cards they were opening with even vs. a tightish 3 betting range having position.
Saying that you almost never bet more than 2/3 pot in a tournament is also a pretty major flaw. There are several spots in any version of NL where you should be betting large vs. capped ranges.
Lastly, lets try to never laugh at someone for trying to get help and improve on their game. I appreciate your feedback and am glad that you are asking questions but we are all working together to become better players and the last thing you/me or anyone should do is look down on someone for reaching out for help.
good luck!
Making fun of the play in a leakfinder is really not cool. Grow up.
Great vid. Very pleased youre back and can't wait for future content. Also, super jealous you're in Whistler :)
Hey Jason.
Thanks alot for the reply. Appreciate it. Yeah i agree with your thinking with the qj hand. standard bet sizing is most definitely going to show more +ev that my 4/5s pot. What i was really trying to do is look super polarized. But i realize a big mistake in a lot of players play is expecting your opponent to understand the language you are trying to illustrate with your poker play. ie some, maybe more thinking players, could look at that bet and realize i'm polarized and don't have a lot of hands in my range that i would bet in this manner, thus in turn, making them call down. However, as played, i should deffo bet around half pot.
As for 3 betting relentlessly, especially in the sunday million, my opponents often fail to adjust. Ie 4 betting with higher frequency and chk raising flops more often. So until they make that adjustment im going to continue to abuse them, and rightly so.
As for 3 betting with smaller sizing. Overall vs fish im definitely going to realize more immediate fold equity by 3 betting larger. Logic. However, when 3 betting smaller than what would be considered optimal, opponents are going to peal lighter and fold vs more cbets so i feel i'm realizing that equity on the flop and its the best overall strategy vs opponents who fail to exploit . Peal, check fold is a trend i like to abuse. Alot.
Thanks dude!
Thanks dan for your courage to submit a video with no shame:)
I can get down with that 3bet logic brotha.
Your review is off course spot on. But I think the majority of Elite members would benefit more if you made a review of a more experienced player.
I'm going to review one of my past HH's soon as well as do a live turbo video.
Am I the only one who noticed that when the guy won a hand, the percentage shows 200% next to his name?
Oh yeah and awesome vid as always, glad I upgraded my subscription once again!
Hey Jason,
nice vid. Also hope you are able to make the vid with Brian Rast on your Premierleague play.
min 36 T8s: You said you would raise the Turn. Would you also be doing this with sets or stronger 2pair? And would you also be doing this as a bluff, if so which hands? What worse hands do you expect to be called by? When i am in UTG shoes, i would percieve this raise as pretty strong.
I definitely think we should raise the turn with sets/108s,J10. Sets are definitely more appealing to call the turn sets with than 108 for counterfeit reasons and scare cards keeping us from being able to value bet. The flop is so good for the callers range (the reason why your perception of the raise to be so strong) that we do get to attack it aggressively.
What about over jamming the river on the T8 hand since we didnt raise the turn? Like you said we dont have many bluffs and not that many hands that we would be doing this with for value. One pair type hands are going to check back most of the time so we dont have them in our range if we overjam.
1 thing. At the 25 minute mark we 3bet an LP open with Ah8h and get called. LP leads a 933hh board for pot, and we make an obvious shove with NFD. What do you think of toying with the idea of creating a leading range in LP's shoes on the flop against an aggressive btn 3bettor? We were at the top of our range on this flop, but if we had something like KQo, A2s, or 88, then our decision to shove isn't such an easy decision anymore.
I don't think its necessary on 933 since the board is so much better for the 3-bettors range than ours. If we are making an argument purely for exploiting someone for being much too loose, just check shove all of your non-nut hands that have good equity and check/call the purest monsters.
hi jason, i also posted a comment on the last part of your FT poker KO video. This spot is driving me crazy please take a look! thanks a lot for the great job u're doing!
I'll check it out!
The Ah5h hand in the begining of the video I also like a lead on the turn for like 1400ish, bc I think that sonic is prolly checking back a decent amount. As played though I think a c/jam is better than a c/r small. The pot is around 6200 when it comes back to you and you have just under 8900 left.
I think a small raise does a few good things for us. 1. we are exploiting the fish to peal with a hand that is drawing dead (qx with heart) and always stacking them unless a 4th heart rolls off when they have any flush. The pot is definitely big enough to make the argument to just go all in now, but if we weigh the pro's and cons of both options I wouldn't necessarily say shoving is best. Spots like this are always so strange because our range is really narrow by the time we start putting money in on the turn 3 way. I have trouble thinking what our bluff would ever be (if we can even have one) when we go all in here. The all out fear of running into the nuts is so large that we may do better simply having a calling range on the turn and protect all of our non-nut bluff catchers. It's an interesting spot, but I'll think more about it and get back to you.
Awesome video.
Not sure if you play them on the regular, but some 6max action in your future vids would be cool.
video from a sunday session would be awesome!
Jason thanks for t
Jason thanks for the video, all ways the best ones.
had loads of fun watching that - much as danielmerrilees when he clicks buttons.
AND 1 MORE THING danelmerrilees in one of you post you say to someone to quick poker. hahahahahahahahaha
i did not like this comment and are you backing your self with this poker. I will play you heads up for all my money on the table. MP if you want a game.
PM'ed you but you play too low. Srry
Jason, when you say that KQ and AQ are not too many bluffs, I would say that 32 combos of bluffs is a lot in this spot if Hero's value range is : AJ, QQ, sets, JTs T8s this is only 31 combos, thinner value bets like KJs and QJs only add 6 combos.
So yeah overall I like the bigger bet sizing.
DIED LAUGHING AT 52min...hero had that coming to him for all the earlier balls to the wall "spew gone right".
:(
hahaha im loling man that is a funny moment.
Would love to see a part 2 or a video with brain rast!
"Dan the button clicker". Hahaha. I like this Jason Koon guy. I'm watching his guest appearance on the Poker Life Podcast too. Great guy and evidently quite funny too. Good review I'm learning some things and definitely enjoying watching Dan the button clicker click buttons.
"dan, you are an absolute monkey. an absolute banana" lawwwwwwwlllaments
You're pretty generous with the guy you're reviewing Jason...good analysis though!
Hello, is there any part two for this video?
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