ProView: James Obst reviews Jmath in $500 WCOOP PLO Event
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Thanks James... Good video! Look forward to the next one.
I should watch more videos at work, lol. Getting paid watching them is +ev for sure!
cheers
At ~13:30 Hero opens A345ss and you say you think it is too loose, but "he is minraising so he gets to open a little bit wider". I don't really understand this, minraising gives better odds for flatting, doesn't a minraise make you open a little tighter?
The more you bet relative to pot size the tighter your range needs to be, that includes pre- & post-flop. Yes you give people better odds but that's just one variable. If bigger raises meant being able to play more hands profitably, noone would ever raise small :).
Consider a graph if you plotted a GTO heads up opening range. X axis you have open range as a % of hands, Y you have raise size. Certainly as % of hands increases, raise size must logically decrease. There can't be two points on the graph that say the optimal opening range for a minraise is 30%, and the optimal opening range for all-in for 100 big blinds is 100%. The same theory applies here.
If you raise big with a wider range of hands, you ultimately just force too much money in with low equity - sure your opponents' fringe hands can go from slightly losing to slightly profitable against a minraise, but remember that your opponents' premium hands now make much more money against a larger size open.
I think the HU example is a very different case. We are playing versus one player in position, and I guess you mean bet sizes greater than pot, so NLHE? I mean in PLO you can open in GTO 100% at any openingsize I suspect.
The effects of betting smaller in the video-spot means your fold equity is a lot lower. The IP players can flat you a lot more and especially if you widen your range the IP players should 3bet you more frequent which is very bad for your weak hands. On the other hand the blinds might 3bet less since the stackdepths are a lot bigger which seems to me a big plus. But the blinds will defend more versus you which again should be bad for this hand. A upside to this is the cheaper cost of opening.
I would personally think that the minusses would outweigh the positives for weak hands and that you therefore should open less. Interested to hear your opinion on this.
Sorry but I believe this to be inaccurate - yes I was drawing an example for an NL game but regardless a 100% open frequency for pot size is certainly not GTO for HU PLO play. I am not sure what the best way to address your comments is - You say that players will 3bet less versus a bigger size, but you are advocating a wider range for that open size - I thought we were discussing game theory rather than postulating player pool tendencies. The wider a range, the more hands our opponents can 3bet in a GTO strategy; why would we want to commit more chips in that instance?
Now these effects are unquestionable lessened in PLO due to the closeness of equities as opposed to NLHE, but there's no way that it can go in reverse.
Finally more James Obst videos. Too bad its not NLHE though.
Hey James, thanks again for this video. Clear reasoning, as usual. Definitely ur videos are one of my favorites and its great to have my omaha game reviewed by you.
Just to give a feedback to you and others who may watch:
The multitabling could be blamed for some spots, but others, I just dindt have the right thing going on in my mind at that point. After the video my internal language used for omaha got better. I feel like Im going to keep playing lots of tables and I think its manageable, but with stronger fundamentals.
The sizing preflop, I was not aware of the nescessity of changing too much. It felt it was working well by miniraising lately. But I can definitely see the need for changing it acording to stakcs and big blinds tendencies.
Post flop sizing looked indeed too small in some cbeting spots, can see and agree w/ the point u made about how its not that great for ur cbetting range the smaller sizing.
My current 3 betting strategy was mostly using pot to commit and didnt have many suited rundown combos. Its a heritage from Phill's videos, I think. The perception he gave me at that time was not to 3bet(only to commit a certain hand vs a weaker range, when shorter) after the rebuy period was gone. When u advised 3betting that 9864 double suited, SB v BTNs raise, I then realized it should be good since it has a lot of equity against anything he shows with, along with the fold eq. I may need to add some 3bets as well.
Some of the hands in the post flop, I checked and called with hands I should have bet for protection and because they are too weak to check-call. I can see now how it works better for those spots.
Thanks.
Watching your videos is a double edged sword, one the one hand they are perfect in educational content, pacing , strategy level etc.. but in the other hand my confidence gets crushed when I realise how far ahead some people's thinking is. Great to have you back please make more videos.
at 22:00 hero cbet 1/3 pot on K77 board with a643 and gave up on turn and river when flush draw got there and let villain's K623 get to showdown as the winner. i think it's worth discussing strategy and bet sizing (for double or triple barreling concerns) on those paired board spots especially while having the initiative.
this seems to be my biggest leak in PLO cash games as well. i sometimes freeze up as the aggressor on paired boards (similar to this scenario) bc of my lack of bet sizing knowledge. i want to represent trips or better as best to my ability.
my guess on optimal bet sizing in these spots would be e.g. i bet 1/3 to 1/2 pot on the flop, then perhaps 75-85% pot on the turn and 75%-85% pot on the river -- perhaps this sizing on a triple barrel would force opponents to incorrectly fold medium strength hands; and on the other hand, pay off my stronger hands when they decide to be stubborn.
*if i end up getting a live read (or an online timing tell) that my opponent has trips or better then i would shut down on the turn or river
interested to hear anyone's input on the matter. cheers
Thanks James, would love to see some more mixed/ 8 game content.
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