I don't think there's anything wrong with just calling most of our opening range to his small 3bets. We would be getting exploited if we were folding too often. But as it is we can just open a strong range and call his 3bets really wide. The smaller he goes the less appealing 4 betting should be. It seems worse than it is because the first two times we just flopped no equity but we're going to be able to continue on a lot of boards.
Regarding the decision to open K4s on the button, if his sb strategy is just to just 3bet tiny 40-50% of the time, I don't think we want to discourage that. He's certainly 3betting way too much and we don't want him to stop by tightening up when we're on the button.
James Obst10 years, 8 months agoHey Mike, I believe Phil spoke somewhere recently about how having the initiative is overrated/irrelevant if you construct accurate post-flop x/r, x/c, x/f ranges, it sounds like you're echoing this theory which is sound in some circumstances, particularly cash games - the problem from my perspective is that there are more factors in play in tourneys. They play exploitatively; various factors like ICM, field/table strength etc. must be factored in and ultimately we can't stack off/realise equity as easily as we could if tourney life wasn't worth anything. Combine this with a lack of established history between players and it means every decision is going to be tricky post flop, not like in some cash game scenarios where you can feel comfortable just calling the top x% of your hands and so on.
Leo is making these small 3bets because he wants to take the initiative in position - if we're just calling the overwhelming majority of the hands we're opening and we're not tightening up we're playing perfectly into his hands. We won't be able to always make sound decisions post-flop because there are too many factors to always feel confident. We'll have no idea what his standard bet sizing will be on each street, we won't know how often he'll check back top pair etc. The reason the strategy he is employing works in tourneys is because once your patterns become identifiable a good player will outsmart you if you don't counter-adjust (it might take 50 hands of a cash game to identify tendencies and adjust, but those 50 hands in a tourney might decide it, and might be all you ever play with the player). I can certainly say I would feel giddy at the prospect of playing in position with someone who opens wide and rarely 4bets no matter how relentlessly I 3bet them. In my opinion the logical pre-flop adjustment if you find yourself in this position is to tighten up opening ranges somewhat and increase the 4b frequency moderately too.
Feel free to let me know if you disagree or think I overlooked something, I'm pretty tired at the moment. Cheers
Hey guys, I buggered up thinking there were 3 tables left when there were 2, so in the 30mins we had the FT bubble and finished on the FT - there's an enormous amount of hands on the FT and I was too stupid to make certain, had to can the next vid. I'd just point out that the 99 decision at 27mins becomes more complicated - some guys will be more 4b/f happy as the big stack on the FT bubble so it could be even more of a 3bet, but we need to respect ICM too so increased caution in general is prudent, particularly if we don't have strong enough reads on our opponent.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with just calling most of our opening range to his small 3bets. We would be getting exploited if we were folding too often. But as it is we can just open a strong range and call his 3bets really wide. The smaller he goes the less appealing 4 betting should be. It seems worse than it is because the first two times we just flopped no equity but we're going to be able to continue on a lot of boards.
Regarding the decision to open K4s on the button, if his sb strategy is just to just 3bet tiny 40-50% of the time, I don't think we want to discourage that. He's certainly 3betting way too much and we don't want him to stop by tightening up when we're on the button.
Leo is making these small 3bets because he wants to take the initiative in position - if we're just calling the overwhelming majority of the hands we're opening and we're not tightening up we're playing perfectly into his hands. We won't be able to always make sound decisions post-flop because there are too many factors to always feel confident. We'll have no idea what his standard bet sizing will be on each street, we won't know how often he'll check back top pair etc. The reason the strategy he is employing works in tourneys is because once your patterns become identifiable a good player will outsmart you if you don't counter-adjust (it might take 50 hands of a cash game to identify tendencies and adjust, but those 50 hands in a tourney might decide it, and might be all you ever play with the player). I can certainly say I would feel giddy at the prospect of playing in position with someone who opens wide and rarely 4bets no matter how relentlessly I 3bet them. In my opinion the logical pre-flop adjustment if you find yourself in this position is to tighten up opening ranges somewhat and increase the 4b frequency moderately too.
Feel free to let me know if you disagree or think I overlooked something, I'm pretty tired at the moment. Cheers
Hey guys, I buggered up thinking there were 3 tables left when there were 2, so in the 30mins we had the FT bubble and finished on the FT - there's an enormous amount of hands on the FT and I was too stupid to make certain, had to can the next vid. I'd just point out that the 99 decision at 27mins becomes more complicated - some guys will be more 4b/f happy as the big stack on the FT bubble so it could be even more of a 3bet, but we need to respect ICM too so increased caution in general is prudent, particularly if we don't have strong enough reads on our opponent.
hi. where is the rest of the tournament? does part 7 come?
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