Getting 6 to 1 preflop as well is being IP vs 1 player and having relative position (we get to see if SB folds to UTG cb), I think it is fine to be defending on the wider side. That being said for those uncomfortable playing weaker offsuit hands are going to be much better off folding.
Minuten 24-25 assuming you arr the villain here with the ATs hand, would you prefer a 3bet here? Its a hand that has decent playability and dienst necessarily need to fold to 4bet. What do you think a decent 3bet range is here (99+, AQ+,AJs+ value but what hands for Bluff/ to play better in the 3betpot as opposed to flat?)
I think that ATs is a borderline flat because we are somewhat unhappy to get it in once 4b. I would say our value 3b range will be anywhere from 77+, AJ+. We should be polarized here so our bluff range should include low suited gappers ie 58s, 47s etc.
Long post hopefully you'll find time to answer this :)
@ Akira - Effective stacks ~ 65bb. I doubt we happily get in 77-AJ either. more likely to flat those, and 3bet (which can induce a lot of flats given stackdepth) some of the better (dominating - KQs QJs) suited broadways along with ATs (for playability he can still flat a big chunk of his Axs range, AQo+ should be fine aswell.
This would give us 8 (suited broadways), 6 (suited ATs + 50% AJs not 100% happy to call to a jam), ~about 14 combo's of playable hands where on the other side we should have
99-AA (probably 3bet 99 only ~50% of the time with intention gii) 30 value combo's in pairs
AJs-AKs (50% AJs not necessarily gii pre) 14 combo's
AQo-AK 24 combo's
78 value combo's to which we still need about ~85 bluff combo's or so. (default to not fold to his 4bet more than 45% of the time)
If we add in some playable hands that he might flat (aforementioned KQs QJs - 8 combo's) we can possibly still add in some more of those. To make our bluff range bit stronger
Agree on suited gappers lets say we take 58s 74s T7s 97s ~still only 16 combo's
Makes me think if our value range is this wide.
Suited broadways
a) Do you like to expand it with suited broadways, as decent floppable hands just to counter our value-ish range
b) Merit vs not seeing a flop with those hands (due to 4bet and have to fold) versus initiative pre-flop ?
Another argument against this is that once we 3bet lets say QTs (instead of the stronger suited broadways) we likely fold out all his worse Tx (and Qx), excluding T9s, giving us unfavorable implied odds
Argument in favor is having initiative (although OOP), and building up a somewhat stronger 3betbluff range. Although not necessary stronger if we look at his flats
c) Up to 30bb I agree that in the majority of the time we should just flat suited broadways oop here. ~40bb likely a threshold to do something different with it (?).
In general:
How would you go about constructing the # of combo's you want to balance against your value-range. If it is this hard for us to find enough combo's against this, shouldnt we just tighten our value-range and have a stronger check range?
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Thanks, really like the range analysis, great vid
nice
03:00-4:00 isnt it better to fold pre here with non suites, non broadways Kx (like our K8o)
Getting 6 to 1 preflop as well is being IP vs 1 player and having relative position (we get to see if SB folds to UTG cb), I think it is fine to be defending on the wider side. That being said for those uncomfortable playing weaker offsuit hands are going to be much better off folding.
Minuten 24-25 assuming you arr the villain here with the ATs hand, would you prefer a 3bet here? Its a hand that has decent playability and dienst necessarily need to fold to 4bet. What do you think a decent 3bet range is here (99+, AQ+,AJs+ value but what hands for Bluff/ to play better in the 3betpot as opposed to flat?)
Assuming hero opens ~50% btn
I think that ATs is a borderline flat because we are somewhat unhappy to get it in once 4b. I would say our value 3b range will be anywhere from 77+, AJ+. We should be polarized here so our bluff range should include low suited gappers ie 58s, 47s etc.
Long post hopefully you'll find time to answer this :)
@ Akira - Effective stacks ~ 65bb. I doubt we happily get in 77-AJ either. more likely to flat those, and 3bet (which can induce a lot of flats given stackdepth) some of the better (dominating - KQs QJs) suited broadways along with ATs (for playability he can still flat a big chunk of his Axs range, AQo+ should be fine aswell.
This would give us 8 (suited broadways), 6 (suited ATs + 50% AJs not 100% happy to call to a jam), ~about 14 combo's of playable hands where on the other side we should have
99-AA (probably 3bet 99 only ~50% of the time with intention gii) 30 value combo's in pairs
AJs-AKs (50% AJs not necessarily gii pre) 14 combo's
AQo-AK 24 combo's
If we add in some playable hands that he might flat (aforementioned KQs QJs - 8 combo's) we can possibly still add in some more of those. To make our bluff range bit stronger
Agree on suited gappers lets say we take 58s 74s T7s 97s ~still only 16 combo's
Makes me think if our value range is this wide.
Suited broadways
a) Do you like to expand it with suited broadways, as decent floppable hands just to counter our value-ish range
b) Merit vs not seeing a flop with those hands (due to 4bet and have to fold) versus initiative pre-flop ?
Another argument against this is that once we 3bet lets say QTs (instead of the stronger suited broadways) we likely fold out all his worse Tx (and Qx), excluding T9s, giving us unfavorable implied odds
Argument in favor is having initiative (although OOP), and building up a somewhat stronger 3betbluff range. Although not necessary stronger if we look at his flats
c) Up to 30bb I agree that in the majority of the time we should just flat suited broadways oop here. ~40bb likely a threshold to do something different with it (?).
In general:
How would you go about constructing the # of combo's you want to balance against your value-range. If it is this hard for us to find enough combo's against this, shouldnt we just tighten our value-range and have a stronger check range?
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