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Theory vids requested as you had a plan initially when you started making vids. you said you will continue with range and so on.
sorry but we have in my opinion enough HH review everywhere on the site and I was happy you will be the theory intructors but looks you change you way and a bit disapointing as you build a dynamic on concept stuff and you stopped it. so in my opinion go back on it
as you said it is more educationnal and it is what we are looking for in a training site I guess
regarding statistics and numbers; you really don't have twice as many like for HH review :)
so in this video you spoke a lot about range pre as well post flop, would be really interested you build a serie on these topics with range and size. you also mention 3b/fold range. anything about range where we can work on our side based on concept stuff vid you would make and have discussion on that would be great
Why should you bet bigger when you have a check back range?
It probably doesn't always apply but essentially the fact that our Cbet range is stronger and more polarized when we have a checking range should allow us to bet larger.
When we're betting range in this spot we want to bet small because we're essentially trying to deny his equity and force lots of weak hands (unpaired, no back doors) to fold their equity. If you bet too large then this play becomes too expensive with most parts of your range
These hands seem familiar ;)
- Do you think that my stack depth affects the marginal opens significantly? I have 35bb when I open the QJo open but only 17 with the QTs. I think that was the major reason for deciding to open or not at the time.
- I agree the 85o hand was a terrible bluff, but had I checked and he bet say 1/2 pot would you have called? I was quite surprised to see him turn over Q5o here, this seems like a good hand for the villain to bluff turn with and I think most people would, so I think most people would have very few diamonds in their bet check bet range and therefore weighted significantly to a bluff.
It's the tuesday 'highroller' challenge so an extra soft field, even for 888.
Thanks for the review, looking forward to part 2!
Stack depth should impact opening ranges somewhat but I still stand by thinking QJ was too loose. I think it could be used to justify folding hands like 87s and shifting our range towards hand that block shoving ranges better (A9o) but I just think QT and QJ is essentially the same hand in terms of blockers and playability wise QTs is better. QJ only has a shred of extra hot and cold equity so there are almost no places im playing QJo but not QTs unless I'm getting all in and the threshold happens to fall right between those hands (which is extremely unlikely as it may require villain to be on a super specific range). I think two suited large cards with reasonable ish blocking effects is pretty much good enough to RFI from anywhere unless the ICM spot is a disaster
I'm out at the moment and doing this from my phone so I'll get to the 85o hand later as I don't remember it
Can you timestamp that 85o hand?
35.50
I think it's a clear fold unless you want to be calling way too often.
That being said, I agree with your assumption that most high diamonds bet turn, and that, combined with the fact that a lot of people miss river bets here with low diamonds makes me think that calling would be at least reasonable.
If you want to calculate it, just give him a range and see if you win 1/4 of the time. The result will just be really heavily assumption laden however so it's not a super useful exercise but as I mentioned, my population reads would make me think that calling is at worse slightly losing and potentially a reasonable winner making it at least reasonable.
more videos with TheDEBTonatR sitting on the table plz and thannxyouz
In the Aq around 8 min you said you prefer 3bet. What would you if the oppener 4 bet jam?
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Id be folding vs 35BB ish shove unless the guy is a known clown.
same question but the opener 4bet no ai and put you on a 5bet shove or fold decision.
here is interesting to develop discussion on range, let's say there is only the guy just next to you who squeeze ai or Cold 4 bet depending on your action, what you would do if everybody fold with what range.
what would be your range if the opener call the squeeze. does it end up with only AA, KK?
You should be able to calculate the EV of shoving/folding vs a 4b based on your assumptions about his range. It's a simple EV equation. If you're unfamiliar or forget how, just go check out by video series on ev equations.
5:45 The AJo villain, isn't he needs to call 3000 to win 13700?
Something like that. The problem is our equity is really terrible 3 way. The times we end up double dominated we have like < 10% of the equity and that will occur somewhat often.
Even the not so bad times where we get it in vs like AK and 88 or something we only have 20%. It's possible he's still priced in. You'd have to run the spot with the ranges but it's going to be a lot closer than most people expect. (I think what happens is that people realize we're getting inf:1 and also realize that AJ never does that badly vs either range in isolation but fail to realize that vs the combination of ranges our hand does significantly worse.
Just realized i get 4th in this MTT lmfao! Please tripple time it for the next release!! When will this series be complete??
@14 mins I think I disagree about some of your expletive assumptions about how people play this river and feel that guesstimating that we will be correct 5% is off and feel that it might be closer to the 22% that we need. Haven't run it through range calcs but interested to hear what you think villain turns up with on he river here that makes it a slam dunk fold, esp. if we presume some people weirdly 3b AJ here.
@22 mins do you advocate 3b TT here as I flat here almost always ( though I am definitely flatting more than most people here in general) is the 3b to fold to a 4b ( from Original raiser )
Thanks enjoying it so far
I think he can quite reaosnably have any 2 broadways that contain a jack.
His bluffs must be comprised of missed fds and 1p hands. I just don't think people turn these hands into a bluff often enough for this to be a call. I don't really have too much more info than this to base my decisions off of but not many people turn pairs into bluffs where they should etc.
I'd be stacking off vs aggro players and likely folding to most of the randoms i suspect would be in this mtt.
Question: Can you help me a little bit more with this idea you discuss of "range assymetry" and "1/3 range"? (I sometimes struggle a bit with new concepts and need some spoon feeding...that's why I'm essential, not elite just yet :). ).
So please correct me if I'm wrong; you went over this fast, but I am inferring you mean this: after a flop where villian probably is superwide and has tons of air, you can bet very small with your entire range to flush out his air, right? Assuming I am getting that right, how do I learn more about this? Any videos or good posts on this? What happens on later streets when V calls your small bets? How should V fight back? Sorry to be so general but I just want to be pointed in the right direction on some fundamentals so I can figure the details out on my own. Seems like this is a good way to understand these small bets the tough players fire at me.
So a range asymmetry is just a general term to describe a spot where the ranges involved connect with the board in different ways. In all honesty, every spot in poker is pretty much a spot where range asymmetry is at play it's just only brought up when it's sufficiently pronounced (how much is sufficient is fairly subjective and rather arbitrary) to have a heavy influence on strat.
In this spot, as you noted, villain has a lot of hands that aren't good and aren't really going to get better vs a large part of our range (he has a lot of random unpaired cards that are essentially dead vs any Ax we have which is a reasonable number of hands in our range). As a result, this portion of his range folds relatively inelastically. This results in us wanting to bet somewhat small for a few reasons.
This isn't what happens every time there is a range asymmetry though. This is just the "result" of this specific asymmetry.
This stuff is generally covered in cash game videos. Id recommend sauce's videos along with teunus and anyone else playing 500+. This is essentially the driving force behind why we bet and how much etc so it's going to be covered sort of out of necessity in any video that focuses on post flop stuff.
I'm not entirely sure where you'd study it theoretically though.
At 11:35 you say you'd like to grow the pot geometrically on the turn, and advocate betting roughly the same amount on then and river rather than what happened ( near pot on river). How does this increase the EV of our range?
It's explained thoroughly and with examples in Mathematics of Poker. I'd recommend reading up on it there as you're also going to get a ton of other value from that book.
If you fancy doing an explanation of the Mathematics of poker for people like me who stopped learning maths at 16 to read history at university that would be awesome as i have tried so many times to read it and get so far before i failing at the algebra ( i am pretty sure i understand the concepts just not the notation etc ).
Noob question: What do the percentages mean next to screenname?
Well when you're all in with cards exposed it's the actual win %s.
When cards aren't exposed I think it's like the equity of your hand vs all remaining hands behind if all remaining hands are random (something like that). Anyway, it's close to meaningless in non all-in spots
Ok. Yeah, I thought it was just equity but then none of the hands went to showdown so...
In the AT hand river analysis beginning around 11:30, you say that hero should check back if checked to because villain will "overfold" here. Then you say you dislike villain's river bet because people don't fold two pair hands enough. Seems VERY contradictory not withstanding difference in what hero's sizing would be and what villain's is (not sure if BB or hero has more Jx that this makes difference).
Those two things are in fact not contradictory. It also has nothing to do with the differences in sizing that hero and villain may pick.
At 20:30, are you actually suggesting check/calling river as opposed to check/raising? Why would we ever check/call? Are you blind?
Obviously we check/raise once we check and face a bet but realistically theres not going to be much difference between x/c and x/r here vs his actual range. he's pretty hard pressed to find a bet/call with < Tx.
Hi,
I watched almost all of your videos here on essential thread and cannot thank you enough for the incredible work you have done for us essential members!! Love your analysis, humour and great understanding of theory.
Just one question. At 41:30 what would be your 4bet/folding sizing there and is there still move for us to have a 4betting range?
Thank you!!
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