Cheers, thanks for the feedback m8.
Would you prefer seeing the monker for some of the more juicy spots or you good with just keeping it pure gameplay?
I think your format was spot on. If you feel that the breakdown was really interesting, then heading over to monker to showcase and give us a visual couldn't hurt. However, your explanations seemed more than good enough for the common spot. My only criticism would be that you've got two cards too many! Lol
I enjoyed this video a lot. Refreshing with "new breed" videos from a PLO coach who has used solver training all the way since small stakes. Care to show your standard trees/sizings for solving the usual HU spots? 3-handed as well, if you solve those on a regular basis (yes, yes, I'm greedy). ;-)
Thanks man.
I would love to give you a standard tree/sizings but I don't have "standard" trees or sizes. It all depends on the spot and the spr, so I can't in good faith give some standard tree to use.
Was thinking about how you set up 100bb spots. Like HU SRP UTG vs BB. Do you have a standard sizing template for solving that on a given board type, or do you experiment on each board to see what sizes are preferred?
It'll depend on the board texture, so I can't really give you a "standard" size.
I guess in general mostly go smaller on paired/straight/mono textures and go bigger on the rest, but I would just recommend doing your own research on this, the question is too broad to give a precise answer imo
I never really watch or play PLO, but figured I would check out your debut video. Thought you did an excellent job! I think it is important to do your own style for videos. If you want to show monker sims on certain hands, then you should do it. For NL I really enjoy play and explain with post audio and a little bit of PIO mixed in for tougher spots. I think these are the best videos.
Hey welcome. Like this format, I think you do an effective job describing the sims without showing them.
Couple things would love to be included in future videos: 1) discussing op's lines and hands at showdown. Think it's helpful to both discuss op's hands from a theory point of view as well as your own views on population tendencies in this pool and
2) you mention the adjustments to shorter effective stacks once or twice but don't remember talking about any adjustments deeper. Definitely would like to hear how stack depth is playing a role in your sizing when significantly deeper and if you are running deep sims for most spots or just making adjustments based on your knowledge.
At 32 minutes was a bit surprised by your comments on the QQ hand so ran it, getting different results. We aren't pure checking any QQxx with a bdfd, and while solver prefers to have a board pair we are still leading most of our random QQ a bit over 40% of the time. Possible you ran this sim with different positions?
I try to sometimes give a quick rundown of what villain should've done (like in the wruum AKQ3 or sharkomaha a995). I can definitely go more in-depth with villain lines but it obviously comes at a tradeoff of having less of my own hands to go over, since there's a limited amount of length I can make each video.
Regarding deep, I don't recall me having any pots in this video where being deep influenced the decision, but maybe I'm just misremembering. If it were to occur I would ofc go over some of the deviations that you make when deep. I'm probably going to make a standalone video on deep play later on.
Regarding sims, every sim I use in the video is "homemade". I don't use any pre-saved sims or sims with incorrect SPR or whatever. Every sim I use is ran in particular for the exact spot I am in, to ensure that I'm not saying something dumb or misapplying some deviations that you'd make if the SPR would be slightly different. If a deep spot would occur, the sim would be ran with appropriate preflop ranges and appropriate flop SPR and sizes.
@QQ hand;
What I was trying to get across in the video is that if you have a boardpair or doublebdfd, that would significantly skew your decision towards bet. That is not to say that every QQ:boardpair or QQ:2bdfd bets (they don't, alot of them mix in a check), and it wasn't meant as every QQ!boardpair or QQ!2bdfd checks (they don't, alot of them mix in a bet). I was trying to portray the overall pattern, and the only pattern that I really found regarding QQ combos was what I said in the video, but as is usually the case with SRP's, there's a bunch of mixing.
I could for sure have explained this better and highlighted some of the mixing. I do think that overall there's a fine line between going super deep in every spot and wasting alot of time on miniscule EV gains, versus going over the spots too quickly and not explaining it thoroughly enough, and perhaps in this hand I mistakenly leaned too hard on the latter.
I reran the sim just to make sure I didn't punt the sim the first time around, but I'm still getting the same output.
My combo purechecks and QQ76:(qss,qdd,qhh) in general checks a fuckton, the only rando combos that ever mix in a bet are the ones with diamonds for whatever reason.
76 seems to be a particularly bad combo to bet with because the 76 blocks a decent amount of his folding range, whereas some shit like QQ42 doesn't really block his folds, so monker seems to prefer having lower cards than 76.
Sim is ran with 100bb preflop ranges with 4,5% rake capped at 0,3sb (pokerstars rake for 10$/20$ PLO with 5+ players in the hand) and with 50;60;100 flop filter and 50,100;100 turn/river filter. If you're getting significantly different results for QQ76 then it's probably a convergence issue on your end (it takes a while for the QQ76 combos to converge out of the bet line) or maybe different filter or different pre ranges.
What a great video. I'm looking forward for next one. My only suggestions is just go deep in some spots and commentary on showdown. I would like to see your work with monkersolver. How do you setting it up for certain spots and reading the output. Do you use some excell with monker etc. Than you for sharing your great knowledge with us.
Hey imba,
Great first vid! Really enjoyed it. @24:00, on 887r 3way with sb and bb, you say sb checks range and bb donks 20-25%. Is this pretty typical on sub-broadway flops, or is this specific to 887r? I'm flying blind in a lot of multiway SRP spots at low stakes and only seeing heads up outputs from vision. So any advice or future content on that would rock. Thanks
Love this format, summarizing what monker would do but without the breaks in play to show the sims and slow down the video. Great stuff, welcome aboard.
Can you discuss the bet turn strategy here a bit. Do you have just one sizing of pot or do you do any blocking? If it's a multiple size, can you discuss the difference between the ranges in those lines? and similarly between bet and check raise? I think this would be an instance where diving into monker would be good.
in general you don't really do much blocking as oop on double flush draw boards at high sprs, board is obviously incredibly dynamic so in general u wanna size big to deny equity.
I'll probably dive into monker for these spots in the future, thx for the feedback
Lot of people already said how much they enjoyed the format but Im gonna reinforce it and say it was one of the best formats Ive seen. Covering a larger number of hands even though not going too deep is a great tradeoff. If I had to chooose between a deeper analyzes format vs the one you did, I would split it between a 4:1 ratio or something like that.
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min 25:15 887o where you say if villain has a donking range we cbet pure and if he doesnt 80% do you run these sims on your own and then compare the results? or are these sims "available"? do you have a virtual machine for running those? any recomendations on what VM to get?
I run them on my own. For this I ran 2 different ones, one where bb was allowed to donk and one where he wasn't. I've addressed this in another reply, but every sim I use in the videos is ran from scratch as to ensure that it's precise.
I have a vm yeah, I don't have any recommendations tho.
last question: isnt it super time intensiv to check every spot in monker? I hope they pay you well! also is there a method to quicken the process? whats your approach when checking out for random spots/hands?
It is very very time intensive to check every spot, yes. Actually checking the combo and the strat is kinda the easy part, having to set up and run like 50+ flopsims and then a ton of turn + river sims is the real work.
I don't try to quicken the process, I think that might lead to less accurate analysis or less precise sims, so I don't try to cut corners.
Loved the video. Why do you run separate turn and river sims? Do you not trust the convergence of the turn and river from the flop sims because of the algorithm?
min 45: I think sb is supposed to CC here a very tight range here vs 20bb BB behind and flat a lot of AA. So not sure about KKJT having him crushed/being a favourite at all. edit nvm you just say that a few secs later
I really really enjoyed the video, thanks a lot!
Do you run sims on your own computer, or do you rent a server? If you are using your own setup, what's the hardware requirement to sufficiently run monker sims?
Again, thanks for the content and looking forward to more.
would be interested in seeing similar format but vs weaker fields w\ more comments on deviation from gto.
e.i What blockers we should be looking for to double barrel given opponent doesn't come close to mdf; x-combos are bluffing in equilibrium but we should deviate to passiveness with those when villain in too much of a station, etc. In other words, sprinkling in some exploits (and I guess we need different environment) would be nice. Hope it all makes sense
Really enjoyed this video. Nobody is making this fast paced PLO content here atm so please keep up the good work. Like you said if you go to deep with analysis it's away from new spots
Can you also show us how you run the Monker solver from A To Z for example you play a spot and want to check it in Monkersolver How would you apply that in Monkersolver Thank mate !
The T877ds hand towards the end - How would you choose your bluffs on that river? Intuitively I'm thinking stuff like JTT8 or T98x with a club, since 4x or even AA/KK has too much showdown value against what are going to be many giveups. Presumably you want to be blocking a club more than pairs, since your target is 4x/68/KK8T and not so much flushes.
As a corollary, what is the bottom of your value range in that spot and do you have any size other than pot? Does a K high flush blocking a pair or a Q high flush blocking a 4/unblocking straights make the cut, considering that given the stack sizes villain has little downsides to valuebetting thin.
what server do you use if you dont me asking?how much power RAM? GB ? do you recommend also can you do a future video on how to work with monkersolver thanks!!
Just discovered you and really enjoyed this ! Would be cool to hear you discuss differences in stake levels and how adjustments while moving up for those of us who are in earlier stages of our PLO game :)
I really like keeping the momentum of the lesson with short pauses in action and not switching over to a solver screen. Your explanations of the solver's verdict and motivations are clear and sufficient. Very good format and video.
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Welcome on board imbajimba ! :)
Thanks mate :)
Welcome!!
I like your plan of reviewing everything in advance and then giving post analysis with all the answers. It makes for a very informative video. Cheers!
Cheers, thanks for the feedback m8.
Would you prefer seeing the monker for some of the more juicy spots or you good with just keeping it pure gameplay?
I think your format was spot on. If you feel that the breakdown was really interesting, then heading over to monker to showcase and give us a visual couldn't hurt. However, your explanations seemed more than good enough for the common spot. My only criticism would be that you've got two cards too many! Lol
Cheers
agree 100%, awsome video, well done!
10/10 loved format with monker comments every hand
Awesome :) I'm glad you liked it
I also really like this format and hope to see more videos just like this one.well done.
Thanks, I have a decent amount of footage saved up so I will definitely do more of these if people enjoy them
Welcome!
I enjoyed this video a lot. Refreshing with "new breed" videos from a PLO coach who has used solver training all the way since small stakes. Care to show your standard trees/sizings for solving the usual HU spots? 3-handed as well, if you solve those on a regular basis (yes, yes, I'm greedy). ;-)
Thanks man.
I would love to give you a standard tree/sizings but I don't have "standard" trees or sizes. It all depends on the spot and the spr, so I can't in good faith give some standard tree to use.
Was thinking about how you set up 100bb spots. Like HU SRP UTG vs BB. Do you have a standard sizing template for solving that on a given board type, or do you experiment on each board to see what sizes are preferred?
It'll depend on the board texture, so I can't really give you a "standard" size.
I guess in general mostly go smaller on paired/straight/mono textures and go bigger on the rest, but I would just recommend doing your own research on this, the question is too broad to give a precise answer imo
I never really watch or play PLO, but figured I would check out your debut video. Thought you did an excellent job! I think it is important to do your own style for videos. If you want to show monker sims on certain hands, then you should do it. For NL I really enjoy play and explain with post audio and a little bit of PIO mixed in for tougher spots. I think these are the best videos.
Thanks, I will probably include some monker in future videos for the juicy spots
Fantastic format!
Great video!
ty mate
Hey welcome. Like this format, I think you do an effective job describing the sims without showing them.
Couple things would love to be included in future videos: 1) discussing op's lines and hands at showdown. Think it's helpful to both discuss op's hands from a theory point of view as well as your own views on population tendencies in this pool and
2) you mention the adjustments to shorter effective stacks once or twice but don't remember talking about any adjustments deeper. Definitely would like to hear how stack depth is playing a role in your sizing when significantly deeper and if you are running deep sims for most spots or just making adjustments based on your knowledge.
At 32 minutes was a bit surprised by your comments on the QQ hand so ran it, getting different results. We aren't pure checking any QQxx with a bdfd, and while solver prefers to have a board pair we are still leading most of our random QQ a bit over 40% of the time. Possible you ran this sim with different positions?
Hey man, thanks alot for the feedback.
I try to sometimes give a quick rundown of what villain should've done (like in the wruum AKQ3 or sharkomaha a995). I can definitely go more in-depth with villain lines but it obviously comes at a tradeoff of having less of my own hands to go over, since there's a limited amount of length I can make each video.
Regarding deep, I don't recall me having any pots in this video where being deep influenced the decision, but maybe I'm just misremembering. If it were to occur I would ofc go over some of the deviations that you make when deep. I'm probably going to make a standalone video on deep play later on.
Regarding sims, every sim I use in the video is "homemade". I don't use any pre-saved sims or sims with incorrect SPR or whatever. Every sim I use is ran in particular for the exact spot I am in, to ensure that I'm not saying something dumb or misapplying some deviations that you'd make if the SPR would be slightly different. If a deep spot would occur, the sim would be ran with appropriate preflop ranges and appropriate flop SPR and sizes.
@QQ hand;
What I was trying to get across in the video is that if you have a boardpair or doublebdfd, that would significantly skew your decision towards bet. That is not to say that every QQ:boardpair or QQ:2bdfd bets (they don't, alot of them mix in a check), and it wasn't meant as every QQ!boardpair or QQ!2bdfd checks (they don't, alot of them mix in a bet). I was trying to portray the overall pattern, and the only pattern that I really found regarding QQ combos was what I said in the video, but as is usually the case with SRP's, there's a bunch of mixing.
I could for sure have explained this better and highlighted some of the mixing. I do think that overall there's a fine line between going super deep in every spot and wasting alot of time on miniscule EV gains, versus going over the spots too quickly and not explaining it thoroughly enough, and perhaps in this hand I mistakenly leaned too hard on the latter.
I reran the sim just to make sure I didn't punt the sim the first time around, but I'm still getting the same output.
My combo purechecks and QQ76:(qss,qdd,qhh) in general checks a fuckton, the only rando combos that ever mix in a bet are the ones with diamonds for whatever reason.
76 seems to be a particularly bad combo to bet with because the 76 blocks a decent amount of his folding range, whereas some shit like QQ42 doesn't really block his folds, so monker seems to prefer having lower cards than 76.
Sim is ran with 100bb preflop ranges with 4,5% rake capped at 0,3sb (pokerstars rake for 10$/20$ PLO with 5+ players in the hand) and with 50;60;100 flop filter and 50,100;100 turn/river filter. If you're getting significantly different results for QQ76 then it's probably a convergence issue on your end (it takes a while for the QQ76 combos to converge out of the bet line) or maybe different filter or different pre ranges.
really nice format, nice flow, and great accent ...looking foreward to next one..
thx
What a great video. I'm looking forward for next one. My only suggestions is just go deep in some spots and commentary on showdown. I would like to see your work with monkersolver. How do you setting it up for certain spots and reading the output. Do you use some excell with monker etc. Than you for sharing your great knowledge with us.
Awesome to hear man. I'll definitely bring in some monker for future vids
Great video - great signing by RIO
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Pls dont make the vids too good, ty. Good vibe btw
no promises
Hey imba,
Great first vid! Really enjoyed it. @24:00, on 887r 3way with sb and bb, you say sb checks range and bb donks 20-25%. Is this pretty typical on sub-broadway flops, or is this specific to 887r? I'm flying blind in a lot of multiway SRP spots at low stakes and only seeing heads up outputs from vision. So any advice or future content on that would rock. Thanks
yeah pretty typical I'd say, multiway bb does decent amount of donking on low-mid paired flops. Glad you liked the video
Love this format, summarizing what monker would do but without the breaks in play to show the sims and slow down the video. Great stuff, welcome aboard.
ty for the feedback
19:45 AQ93ds on A875hhdd
Can you discuss the bet turn strategy here a bit. Do you have just one sizing of pot or do you do any blocking? If it's a multiple size, can you discuss the difference between the ranges in those lines? and similarly between bet and check raise? I think this would be an instance where diving into monker would be good.
in general you don't really do much blocking as oop on double flush draw boards at high sprs, board is obviously incredibly dynamic so in general u wanna size big to deny equity.
I'll probably dive into monker for these spots in the future, thx for the feedback
This video made me upgrade my account back to the Elite - great to see you making videos Imba! ❤️
haha cheers m8
Lot of people already said how much they enjoyed the format but Im gonna reinforce it and say it was one of the best formats Ive seen. Covering a larger number of hands even though not going too deep is a great tradeoff. If I had to chooose between a deeper analyzes format vs the one you did, I would split it between a 4:1 ratio or something like that.
Great job once again!
What's up naka, thx for the feedback and the kind words :)
I love this format and how you execute it. Very informative and pleasure to watch. You summarizes of what solver does are very helpful.
Did not really expect THAT HIGH level of analysis! Great job! Great start!)
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min 25:15 887o where you say if villain has a donking range we cbet pure and if he doesnt 80% do you run these sims on your own and then compare the results? or are these sims "available"? do you have a virtual machine for running those? any recomendations on what VM to get?
I run them on my own. For this I ran 2 different ones, one where bb was allowed to donk and one where he wasn't. I've addressed this in another reply, but every sim I use in the videos is ran from scratch as to ensure that it's precise.
I have a vm yeah, I don't have any recommendations tho.
same question about your preflop sim, did you run it on your own? is it deviating a decent amount from e.g. plomastermind preflop sims?
Haven't looked at plomastermind preflop sims but I would be very surprised if there was notable deviations
outstandind video, and echoing others, great format. Favorite format Ive seen to date. thank you!
last question: isnt it super time intensiv to check every spot in monker? I hope they pay you well! also is there a method to quicken the process? whats your approach when checking out for random spots/hands?
It is very very time intensive to check every spot, yes. Actually checking the combo and the strat is kinda the easy part, having to set up and run like 50+ flopsims and then a ton of turn + river sims is the real work.
I don't try to quicken the process, I think that might lead to less accurate analysis or less precise sims, so I don't try to cut corners.
Loved the video. Why do you run separate turn and river sims? Do you not trust the convergence of the turn and river from the flop sims because of the algorithm?
min 45: I think sb is supposed to CC here a very tight range here vs 20bb BB behind and flat a lot of AA. So not sure about KKJT having him crushed/being a favourite at all. edit nvm you just say that a few secs later
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Excellent video, well done!!!!
Excellent video, well done!!!!
GG!! Welcome!
Well done. Thank you for sharing.
I really really enjoyed the video, thanks a lot!
Do you run sims on your own computer, or do you rent a server? If you are using your own setup, what's the hardware requirement to sufficiently run monker sims?
Again, thanks for the content and looking forward to more.
I rent a server
I like the format, you get a ton of hands in and not constantly checking solvers, Good stuff
would be interested in seeing similar format but vs weaker fields w\ more comments on deviation from gto.
e.i What blockers we should be looking for to double barrel given opponent doesn't come close to mdf; x-combos are bluffing in equilibrium but we should deviate to passiveness with those when villain in too much of a station, etc. In other words, sprinkling in some exploits (and I guess we need different environment) would be nice. Hope it all makes sense
Liked the debut a lot, looking forward for more.
Really enjoyed this video. Nobody is making this fast paced PLO content here atm so please keep up the good work. Like you said if you go to deep with analysis it's away from new spots
Great video, I really liked this format!
GReat video man! please i would like to see the Sims (Monker)next video please great Job man you explain it perfectly
Can you also show us how you run the Monker solver from A To Z for example you play a spot and want to check it in Monkersolver How would you apply that in Monkersolver Thank mate !
I love the video mate!
Can you please show the exataly monker sims please thanks!
The T877ds hand towards the end - How would you choose your bluffs on that river? Intuitively I'm thinking stuff like JTT8 or T98x with a club, since 4x or even AA/KK has too much showdown value against what are going to be many giveups. Presumably you want to be blocking a club more than pairs, since your target is 4x/68/KK8T and not so much flushes.
As a corollary, what is the bottom of your value range in that spot and do you have any size other than pot? Does a K high flush blocking a pair or a Q high flush blocking a 4/unblocking straights make the cut, considering that given the stack sizes villain has little downsides to valuebetting thin.
great video
what server do you use if you dont me asking?how much power RAM? GB ? do you recommend also can you do a future video on how to work with monkersolver thanks!!
Just discovered you and really enjoyed this ! Would be cool to hear you discuss differences in stake levels and how adjustments while moving up for those of us who are in earlier stages of our PLO game :)
I really like keeping the momentum of the lesson with short pauses in action and not switching over to a solver screen. Your explanations of the solver's verdict and motivations are clear and sufficient. Very good format and video.
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