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Getting To Know PokerSnowie

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Paul Atwal

POSTED Jan 07, 2019

Paul Atwal aka shifftyy tries out PokerSnowie for the first time and analyzes his play while playing 6 handed versus 5 Snowie bots.

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G G 6 years, 2 months ago

i like this format .., one thing will be helpful. Is to find a way to increase ur blunder rate? Or concentration of ur blunders. .. Otherwise ... too much time on “standard” play ...

Another format I would suggest is more collaboration ... maybe with another 200z or 500z reg ... being it RIO pro or not ... would be more entertaining. I really mostly watch videos to relax nowadays, haha.

Paul Atwal 6 years, 2 months ago

Hey GG,

I'm not sure what you mean by concentration of blunders. One thing you could do is have Snowie show all errors as well. Errors are much smaller EV mistakes than blunders (ie you might take an action that's correct in a mix but is marginally worse than another action). There are also some things that Snowie is just wrong about that it considers an error.

doncamatic 6 years, 2 months ago

You can set your "blunder threshold" in options. As a default it's set to 2bb or bigger errors. I think you'd be much better off setting it something smaller because there would be more hands for discussion. I'm 19minutes in and so far there hasn't been a single blunder. At 2bb you might go a whole video without one. I'm interested to see what are some of the smaller errors that snowie thinks you're making.

Interesting video otherwise.

doncamatic 6 years, 2 months ago

I kinda wish you called in some of the spots where you were wondering what snowie had. I mean yeah you would have probably gotten a blunder error but you wouldn't have lost any money and we'd get to see what snowie played like that :)

doncamatic 6 years, 2 months ago

At 41min you are looking at a hand you bluff shoved all in on river and trying to see what range snowie shoves. Snowie divides the range into checking and shoving but you were only looking at the checking range trying to find hands it shoves. To see shoving range you needed to click on it.

Patrick Sekinger 6 years, 2 months ago

KQo hand MW on T88tt is definitely interesting. Having looked at this spot HU in Pio (vsBB) i'd be surprised if high frequency betting for 25% MW can really be supported, just given the outputs there. Would definitely be interesting to see a monker solution!

I wonder if a reason could be that the BB actually tightens its defense range versus a cold call than when playing HU against a minraise so 8x is less frequent? Of course the SB naturally lacks 8x to begin with relatively speaking.

Again, population is probably not adjusting in this manner so it may not be that relevant of a discussion but interesting nonetheless

Paul Atwal 6 years, 2 months ago

That was by far what stood out most to me, too. Also, the betting range is so linear. I wonder if having a higher frequency fold range vs probe is okay mw.

JohnCarmack 6 years, 2 months ago

Nice video Paul, more of these please.

One thing to note about snowie's preflop ranges (referring to the QQ BB vs Hijack scenario) is the betsizes used. Snowie uses 3x RFI -> pot reraise -> pot 4bet -> 0.5 pot 5bet
which will lead to more polarised ranges i presume

scrimitzu 6 years, 1 month ago

28:25, folding 77 MP vs EP 110bb deep, standard? What about 100bb deep? I see you mostly have a 3b/fold strategy IP, where is the threshold where you start having a calling range, 120bb+? Can you describe this strategy a little bit?
Sorry if pestering questions. Great video!

Paul Atwal 6 years, 1 month ago

I would play 3b/f in all these scenarios. With so many players left to act behind, I think flatting becomes an overall unappealing option as squeezes are too frequent. Given how tight of a range we can VPIP here, it makes sense to consolidate it into 3b/f. Rake further incentivizes this (winning hands preflop without rake is good).

I think folding 77 there is standard. 88 is really close too.

Asdfghjkl1 6 years, 1 month ago

Hi Paul

I’ve been doing quite a bit with Snowie, I am really curious how useful a learning tool you believe it is?

I have read many mixed reviews, the outputs are sometimes funky and sometimes don’t align with pio, all of which concerns me

Thanks

Paul Atwal 6 years, 1 month ago

They definitely don't always align with PIO, but it can work as a solid frame of reference to at least some spots that you might have missed. Importing sessions is a nice a feature.

vegas777 5 years, 6 months ago

I would like more Snowie related videos and it woild be cool to see Sauce play Snowie.

I liked the way you only showed blunders during your play and only after analysing the blunders went through the mistanes.

Extremely well done video-- both esthetically and with the content!

OMGIsildurrrrman12 5 years, 4 months ago

Hi, Paul Atwal - As someone who just started using PokerSnowie two days ago, this video was amazing to see. Over the past 2 months I have been shaping and refining my game based on what you and other RIO coaches view as standard or winning. After playing a few hundred hands against Snowie and seeing that it rated me as a very good player, I was immediately concerned (because of the people that claim that Snowie plays terribly [which is demonstrably false]). Anyway, super interesting video and I enjoyed it a bunch. Thanks.

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