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Poker Snowie Experiments

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Stelios Serefidis

POSTED Mar 07, 2016

Stelio looks at hands in poker snowie to try to draw conclusions from how the AI plays hands and chooses bet sizes.

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mattdonk 9 years, 1 month ago

good entry-level video to snowie & the tool, as i already use it going forward i think a quicker pace would be cool, i do this off-table work with two tables of snowie because likely get into more postflop spots and many of preflop decisions are often either trivial or very low EV (probably minus with rake). Think most regs already have a general good default preflop game. The slow pace could be good as "reflection" to really think about the spots we see as standard but personally i prefer to get into more postflop spots, hear your views on the sizing & personal strategy in turn/river spots with a small voiceover on the flop. Also +1 for more 4-6max content but thats my game so i'm biased :D

All-inDrawingDead 9 years, 1 month ago

@Stelios Serefidis this is what snowie stand-alone app can do more than the hm app :

Poker Snowie is a stand-alone application that requires you to
separately import your hands. It has additional capabilities:

  1. Allows you to play against Poker Snowie.
  2. Allows you to create "scenarios" (not based on an actual hand history) for analysis.
  3. Gives you Preflop advice.

Then no, is not possible with the hm app :))

Dddogkillah 9 years, 1 month ago

@ 5:35
Snowie such a Nit from BTN :D
Great video idea Stelios, I like it allot!
I love this practice against snowie feature, I actually used it allot to practice hand reading.

ClouD 9 years, 1 month ago

It's unfortunate that snowie is solving only for these sizes because right now there are many situations where we know betting ~1/3 pot is better and easier to play than 1/2 or pot , and also smaller overbets than 2x pot also seem common nowadays.
Preflop advice for a 100bb game must be really solid though, maybe it's worth looking at if we want to use a mixed strategy from SB. But then again not sure how much it's worth since below nl1k rake becomes a significant portion of the pot and a bit too relevant if we start limping and flatting a lot.

ETLJ 9 years, 1 month ago

the problem i had with snowie is that i don't have enough experience to know when to trust or not trust snowie in postflop situations. from the video it looks like snowie mostly agrees with you, so i feel more comfortable using it as a learning tool.

Stelios Serefidis 9 years, 1 month ago

Generally I would say focus on your blunders and try to eliminate those. Smaller errors are not that clear and facing different players might change from -ev to +ev

pacmang 9 years, 1 month ago

Hi, been toying around with these AI's and I think they are the nuts. I want to hear your thoughts comparing snowie and say PioSolver. What do you think the differences are between them?

Star John 9 years, 1 month ago

great idea ! Please more 6 max videos too..., I was wondering what are the things Do you think Snowie is in big error.. A spot where you would be certain to disagree with him ?

Stelios Serefidis 9 years, 1 month ago

I haven't studied it's strategies deeply enough to find spots that I completely disagree and to be honest if I make a play that is rated as a blunder by snowie,I always question myself and almost always end up understanding that I did a mistake and snowie is right. It s hard to disagree with a machine that has played trillions of hands of this game, when I have played only thousands!

secondhander 9 years ago

I think the AT hand is a clear fold on the river. I don't think there are any bluffs that are betting that river. And we are behind all value hands that would bet it. In fact, I think there is good reason to start getting concerned when facing the turn bet. On the turn, we are not facing AK, because it would have raised preflop most likely. AQ might have raised preflop, but might have called, so that's a possible hand that might bet this turn, although it's pretty much only beating AJ at this point, so it might also slow down. Air is probably not continuing to bet this turn. Only Ax clubs may continue to bet, but it will likely check behind a good portion of the time. There are just about no pure bluffs that are betting the turn, and only a little bit of semi-bluffs that might bet the turn. So the only hands that are likely betting this turn are sets, Ax suited sometimes, and KQ, KJ, QJ sometimes (checking behind sometimes). The river bet seems clearly to be a value bet with no bluffs in the range. KQ, KJ, AQ, AJ are checking behind, as are Ax suited that missed the flush. The only hands I can see that would get to this river betting the whole way and would bet this river for value (and it's clearly a value bet) are 55, 88, and QJ. Clear fold, I have no idea why Snowie says to call.

DragOn_ 9 years ago

what do you think of snowies preflop ranges, specifically its tendency to 3bet suited wheel aces in pretty much every situation? For example it would 3bet A5s-A2s MP vs UTG along with QQ+ and AK, and a couple broadways and bigger suited aces...but I dont see the value in that. Hands like AQo, KQo, KJs, QJs have a lot more equity and playability vs the defending range imo..and have blockers as well. Yet snowie folds these hands most of the time. It also emphasizes lower suited connectors and 1gappers over mid suited connectors in 3betting and BB flatting ranges for some reason

mattdonk 9 years ago

agree i was also using that strategy with the wheel aces then i also saw it on snowie. It's not even using them to 5bet jam or something like that so clearly vs typical calling range of pocket pairs and strong aces other hands play better with similar blocking effect like AJo,KQo and overcards to poketpairs - would be interesting to see preflop solver in these spots & views of 3bet bluffing hands in position

Stelios Serefidis 9 years ago

I m 100% with you in this one. I also prefer hands like AQo or KQo. A possible explanation is that wheel aces play better against snowie's strategies, but generally I think most players open more than snowie and fold to 3bets less than it and these facts change things drastically.

MorronGun 8 years, 11 months ago

Sorry, late for the series! But very interested in!
Do you have any idea of how snowie defines it's ranges? Because if it takes into consideration all posibilities and leaves all 0ev plays for all the moves, how it can be possible to win against it?
And what about ranges based on previous folds? Does it take into considaration or has a fixed range for each situation and stack? It would be very interesting to see range composition based on stack size.

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