Poker After Dark $100k Buyin 300/600 PLO Day 3 (part 2)
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nice series
@30:00 you open AdKsQs9s utg, get multiway action and cbet a TdQd3h flop, 5d turn, you barrel the blocker and get a fold. My question is about our river decision. If the turn barrel is expected to get a lot of folds then doesn’t that mean that the river follow-through (on a brick) might be questionable? If villain has a flush, we are putting them into a tough spot already ott and we can expect folds from a decent amount of flushes since your utg range will have more AdXd as opposed to just Ad. If they fold those ott, they don’t have as many to fold otr. I think most villains sitting there with non-nut flushes ott know that the utg player is repping only the nuts and facing this action they will be make up their mind whether they are going to call 2 streets or fold ott. With your specific hand you also block top set, a hand that can call, call, fold...what are your thoughts about barreling or giving up otr if called ott here?
I would barrel off on a brick here every time, perhaps checking if I rived the nut straight. I'm pretty sure my range can support it (meaning my nut flushes will far outnumber my nut flush blocker hands) and that I'll be under-bluffing if I don't follow through.
That said, it is problematic for me to bet the river 100% of the time I bet the turn (if the board doesn't change) because then Ike can simply fold the turn with every hand he doesn't want to call down with (like you said). I think this means I'm way under-bluffing the turn if I only bet my nut flush blocker hands.
To balance this, I need to bet the turn with some two pair, set, or straight draw hands with other diamond blockers which I'll then give up with on the river. I think I probably don't do enough of this, so I'm glad you pointed it out. Great question!
Also, could we consider sizing down otr around 1/2 to cheapen the bluff vs a range that’s either a set or flush (I’m assuming that they fold and call respectively)
If my range contains too many value hands and not enough potential bluffs, sizing down is one option. I think a better option, if we decide to only bluff with the Ad in our hand, is to bet full pot and offer him a worse price. Then, since we only need, let's say hypothetically, 60% of our nut flushes to force indifference, we can move 40% of our flushes into a checking range, in order to potentially extract some value that way.
If we even occasionally induce a bet, we've outperformed a balanced strategy that involved betting all of our nut flushes (and NF blocker bluffs) for a smaller sizing.
(Note that I left off a lot of technicalities here - just trying to illustrate a point concisely.)
Now, if we assume that they have made their mind up on the turn and are likely calling again with a flush and folding with a set, like in your comment, we're up against a very exploitative and exploitable strategy. While there's a sizing at which it becomes profitable to target a set, a set may no longer fold to that sizing. Our best counter is likely to only value bet and never bluff.
Great series!
hi phil im back studying the game after a ca 3 year pause. I watched all your content back then, and then went to chess. being back, starting with this serie, I can tell you have developed your play a lot ,,, just a feeling, but thought you'd like to know. also it great to see how you guys build on the library , im really exited to get back at studying.
here is a couple of requests of the bat ... since I travel and stay places without internet a lot, it would be nice to be able to build a library on my laptop.( at least the vids im studying at the moment )
it would also be great if i could write notes to my self when I watch( that would show in the player) , so I could go thru my learning points later, since its some very specific hands and situations I would like to go back to for further studie. this could potentially be something you could devellop on, like "googlemap" of learningpoints, created by your students.
imagine your students then could go back thru their notes every month to sum up what points they learned from , all the best from a grateful student
Thanks and welcome back, skrap!
I'm glad you're enjoying the library, and I really appreciate the ideas. We've got a pretty big backlog of development items, but I'm noting these ideas down to revisit in the near future.
Good luck!
I am able to watch every other video i try to watch on the site, except this one, which shows the spinning circle endlessly after the 5 second RIO intro. Anybody ever experienced something like this?
Agree with Sean22
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I realize now that this was probably the worst place to make a post about this, because it's an older video and nobody with the site probably reads the old comments. A forum post might work much better. I may make one later
On the last hand, given that Arieh betting the dry four and gets called in two spots- is pretty much giving up the river even if it doesn’t pair (even if he does have the Ace of diamonds instead which is not at all a given); and you often have worse flushes and 55 and some small percent other sets, both of which can give further action here but not river after he check over calls twice; Why doesn’t Haxton raise turn? He’s only got 67k after the call, and value much more likely to come from you now than Arieh later (in what looks to be pretty suicidal 3rd barrels). He has bluffs this way too; which he never does by calling no matter what comes off as we see with your hand when you make aces full and can’t value bet. If it’s bad, then how shallow does he have to be before it becomes good?
Dry king I should say about Ariehs hand.
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Great series so far!
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