Great video, just interested in clarification on your comments ~16m on people generally betting too big in multiway pots:"If you start bombing boards, you just never get to bluff" because you're "risking way too much relative to the amount of times you run into resistance".
Theoretically betting bigger should allow us more bluffs, so do you think the opposite is true in multiway pots because continuing ranges are necessarily more inelastic in most spots compared to HU pots?
Hey there, you nailed it. If you are running into hands that can stack-off a lot more often, regardless what you bet, betting big doesn't make as much sense.
Great Video Jason. Something New and Different and really enjoyable.
have you ever considered being a Reader for Audible lol, Such a calm voice with very clear speech. Digging the Chuck Liddell look :D
@27:35 - If Bryan bets say something like 50-60K, would you consider calling the river in this spot? and if so why?
Keep up the great content and look forward to the next video
Hey Taunto! Thanks for the nice words. I believe I would of had to look him up. My first Tx folds would have to come from T9/T8/T7. I used the small raise size on the flop which gives me a good amount of Tx + additional equity (bdfd/bdsd) and for this reason I don't think it would be out of the question for Brian to value-bet the same hand on the river.
In the 3 way hand with Doug and Brian Rast, the flop checks through on A64cc and Doug flats 5c5 on 8x turn with Brian behind. Do you think it would be reasonable for Doug to raise this combo occasionally? My thinking is as follows:
Given the ante structure, it seems plausible that Doug could have 86s, A8s, 75s, 88 in his range (at least more often than in a normal 6 max game).
Given the multiway structure, I imagine that 75s is not always a bet OTF as getting x/raised will probably push this hand to indifference.
Denying the BB equity by raising might be nice and we could easily imagine BB folding a weak Ax when raised
It's also somewhat difficult for Doug to find logical bluffs. 65s would also be possible, but may 3B pre at some frequency.
5:21 I really don't get much of this turn bet from Ike.
Assuming this 3bet range from jungle:AA-88,AKs-ATs,KQs-KJs,QJs,AKo-AQo @100% and A5s-A2s,87s,76s,65s,54s,43s @50%.
Ike calling about TT-22,AQs-A2s,KQs-K7s,QJs-Q8s,JTs-J7s,T9s-T7s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s-64s,54s-53s,43s,32s,A5o, AQo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo, and slowplaying AA-KK 10% of the time.
Assuming Ike is betting 1/3 with large chunk of his betting range I don't get his range transition to 1/2 on the turn. I expect the worst high frequency value bet from Ike on the turn to be around QxJd which has decent equity against jungle double street calling range and may want some protection again, differently from other parts of Ike flop betting range that may contain some pairs without a diamond for protection/value.
I checked that into solvers and Ike should be betting on equilibrium almost never (~0.04%) with 1/2 and almost always (~71%) with 75%. Can you detail why this Ike line (33%, 50%, 160% should work better than 33%, 75%, 117%) ?
Great video. Great to learn from you even though you busted my 2017 main on a suck out :). Quick question. On the hand when Ike flopped the flush I understand the logic of small bets and checks to the river given the likely polarization of hands. But i'm confused on Ike's River all-in. If he's way ahead or way behind not sure I get how that's a +EV play. Thanks again for sharing your insights
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Love it! Especially that it is cut down to the interesting Hands. Looking foward to the next parts.
Great content. One of my favorite videos in quite some time. Thanks Jason
Excellent video, Jason. Seriously good stuff! (From a primarily PLO player:)
Great video, just interested in clarification on your comments ~16m on people generally betting too big in multiway pots:"If you start bombing boards, you just never get to bluff" because you're "risking way too much relative to the amount of times you run into resistance".
Theoretically betting bigger should allow us more bluffs, so do you think the opposite is true in multiway pots because continuing ranges are necessarily more inelastic in most spots compared to HU pots?
Hey there, you nailed it. If you are running into hands that can stack-off a lot more often, regardless what you bet, betting big doesn't make as much sense.
Great Video Jason. Something New and Different and really enjoyable.
have you ever considered being a Reader for Audible lol, Such a calm voice with very clear speech. Digging the Chuck Liddell look :D
@27:35 - If Bryan bets say something like 50-60K, would you consider calling the river in this spot? and if so why?
Keep up the great content and look forward to the next video
Hey Taunto! Thanks for the nice words. I believe I would of had to look him up. My first Tx folds would have to come from T9/T8/T7. I used the small raise size on the flop which gives me a good amount of Tx + additional equity (bdfd/bdsd) and for this reason I don't think it would be out of the question for Brian to value-bet the same hand on the river.
Hi Jason,
In the 3 way hand with Doug and Brian Rast, the flop checks through on A64cc and Doug flats 5c5 on 8x turn with Brian behind. Do you think it would be reasonable for Doug to raise this combo occasionally? My thinking is as follows:
Given the ante structure, it seems plausible that Doug could have 86s, A8s, 75s, 88 in his range (at least more often than in a normal 6 max game).
Given the multiway structure, I imagine that 75s is not always a bet OTF as getting x/raised will probably push this hand to indifference.
Denying the BB equity by raising might be nice and we could easily imagine BB folding a weak Ax when raised
It's also somewhat difficult for Doug to find logical bluffs. 65s would also be possible, but may 3B pre at some frequency.
Good question. I think it's a good choice to raise at some small/medium frequency. Having a club would be appealing to block a few of our continues.
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5:21 I really don't get much of this turn bet from Ike.
Assuming this 3bet range from jungle:AA-88,AKs-ATs,KQs-KJs,QJs,AKo-AQo @100% and A5s-A2s,87s,76s,65s,54s,43s @50%.
Ike calling about TT-22,AQs-A2s,KQs-K7s,QJs-Q8s,JTs-J7s,T9s-T7s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s-64s,54s-53s,43s,32s,A5o, AQo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo, and slowplaying AA-KK 10% of the time.
Assuming Ike is betting 1/3 with large chunk of his betting range I don't get his range transition to 1/2 on the turn. I expect the worst high frequency value bet from Ike on the turn to be around QxJd which has decent equity against jungle double street calling range and may want some protection again, differently from other parts of Ike flop betting range that may contain some pairs without a diamond for protection/value.
I checked that into solvers and Ike should be betting on equilibrium almost never (~0.04%) with 1/2 and almost always (~71%) with 75%. Can you detail why this Ike line (33%, 50%, 160% should work better than 33%, 75%, 117%) ?
Great video. Great to learn from you even though you busted my 2017 main on a suck out :). Quick question. On the hand when Ike flopped the flush I understand the logic of small bets and checks to the river given the likely polarization of hands. But i'm confused on Ike's River all-in. If he's way ahead or way behind not sure I get how that's a +EV play. Thanks again for sharing your insights
You have a brilliant poker mind and it's very beneficial to see things from your perspective. Very refreshing content.
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