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PLO Theory: Combinatorics Part 1

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POSTED Jul 01, 2016

Maing his RIO debut, Tom Chambers discusses his poker background and lays out the framework for his ambitious and comprehensive approach to understanding PLO.

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Tom Chambers 8 years, 8 months ago

Thanks. Excited to be here. Clearly the top training site around and glad to be a part of it.

I'm a poker nerd/junkie, especially theory/math/fundamentals stuff for Everything But Holdem, and will keep pumping out vids and respond to anything you guys ask.

Tom Chambers 8 years, 8 months ago

Thanks. Anything in particular you liked?

Throughout this series I will be trying to strike the balance between being complete and detailed and transmitting the key poker message(s).

Also the series will necessarily develop from centered on foundations to centered on poker play, so I want to be giving leading indicators of the latter in all the earlier videos.

sudonym3 8 years, 4 months ago

Hi there, I heard you've produced a $2k book on plo (jnandez mentioned it while he streamed on Twitch!)... do you have a link to the contents section of your book as I'm curious as to what kind of analysis your book offers... I'm assuming it's a fairly rigorous mathematical approach somewhat similar to Chen's Mathematics of Poker?

GordonBombayOBV 8 years, 8 months ago

Welcome Tom, aka Mr. Combinatorialist! Through combinatorics can you develop tendencies/reads resulting in 1 hand/1game algorithms or is it more of a principal for a solver of frequencies? Both? Hope I'm saying this right. Looking forward to the 20 part series!

Tom Chambers 8 years, 8 months ago

I am also interested in opinions on the degree to which you'd like me interweaving videos outside this series. The series-based hand videos, but more than that short topical PLO vids/vid series and mixed games stuff.

I have Parts 2 and 3 of the theory series prepared, a three-parter on PLO minor equity (backdoor draws, small pairs, overcards) prepared. And most of the work done on parts 1 of probably 4 for Stud 8 and Omaha 8.

I personally want to mix it up while still primarily doing this series, but also want input.

GordonBombayOBV 8 years, 8 months ago

I think that'd be great for many reasons. It would definitely be refreshing from your standpoint and as well as the student, depending on game knowledge/desire. Also with how well RIO is managed from a video selection I'd tend to think there would be no confusing or lost interest. Thanks and looking forward to picking your brain!

Tom Chambers 8 years, 8 months ago

Gordon I think it is more about developing

a) in game intuition for how likely stuff is. From simple things like how often you flop a set or how often someone flops a flush draw on an aab flop, to medium things like appropriately weighting opponent's probability of having a set (or whatever) given his range. KKK > 222. Duh. To developing range balance intuition from doing a lot of b) and understanding blockers

b) Ability to write good ranges for away-from-table analysis, and do multi-street EV calcs that account for future card distributions (this is coming)

If by solver you mean a GTO range versus range tool that leads to a decision distribution. I don't think it's possible in PLO. But I can't code for shit, relatively, so if it's doable or been done, I stand corrected. I don't even own PokerJuice (yet), so I'm behind the curve on certain things. I'll get up to speed.

Regardless, a) and b) are valuable for in-game intuition. We aren't computers.

cwil81 8 years, 8 months ago

was stoked to see you reappear on 2p2 recently, and even more happy for this video series! I was afraid we had lost you

my suggestion would be to try to replace some of the old PPT sims with PokerJuice when applicable. I'm not sure how much extra work this would entail, but it models significantly better than 2010 PPT imo.

cheers!

cwil81 8 years, 8 months ago

oh, I'd also love to hear at some point about your experiences as a trader/why it didn't work out (if it's not too personal)

.iso 8 years, 8 months ago

Wow, it is so nice to see you here, Tom. A month or so ago, I got the yearly Cardrunners membership solely for your 12 parter. Still have getting your book in pieces in the back of my mind. Can't wait to watch this video!!! Welcome, Tom.

Tom Chambers 8 years, 8 months ago

it'll be drier in the beginning, but i'll try very hard to make all of it interesting. And it should build to more exciting stuff as we go

Trader stuff I'd rather not talk about at the moment. Everything is proprietary so there's not a whole lot I could say anyway. It was a good experience but time to move on. And my family wanted a different lifestyle. We also ultimately always wanted to move west and now we are getting to now instead of in five years.

Jeffrey Mulder 8 years, 8 months ago

Thanks so much Tom, I really enjoyed this. I found the math very interesting. I am a bit removed from my college math, but it comes back somewhat quickly. There is a lot to digest, and I had to stop start and go back a lot to fully comprehend things. This is not a criticism though. I come from from a NL background, but my PLO and mixed games are improving, and I have a feeling this series will be immensely valuable in furthering that progression. Keep up the good work!

Tom Chambers 8 years, 8 months ago

Honestly I expect stop-start to be necessary. I actually explicitly asked the RIO folks if members could easily do that and/or if the ppts were stored somewhere.

If I slowed everything to pace where that wouldn't be needed they'd all be 2 hours and I'd probably still miss the right explanation for certain people and you'd be pausing and looking at the slides anyway.

Glad you liked it

Tom Chambers 8 years, 8 months ago

And yeah, it's mathy. But we aren't doing calculus or abstract algebra here. Just grunt work arithmetic with some guidelines to understand, for the most part.

That's not to minimize, more to encourage anyone who is initially intimidated. This is about as "bad" as it gets, with the exception of multi-street, multi-contingency EV calcs which are just fun as hell and I think we can all get behind.

And like I've saiid, it'll be mathy throughout, but it gets progressively more pokery.

So_Nitty 8 years, 8 months ago

So excited about this series....I did purchase some sections of your book and studied them but I didn't really know exactly how to apply it to game play so hopefully this will help me link the two together. I'm glad it's gonna get more pokery! Thanks for this

Tom Chambers 8 years, 8 months ago

Glad you are excited So_Nitty, and thanks for the module purchases. Please message or email me if there's anything I can do to help fill in the specific gaps you are missing. We could just chat or we could do lesson(s) on the stuff you didn't buy, or on translating the stuff you did to action.

I had/have two main goals with the modules.

The primary goal was to allow wider access, letting people to cheaply cherry-pick material they wanted to read the most from a book that was too expensive for them. It's been cool to see that happen. The secondary goal was to allow people who could afford the whole book but were skeptical to pick the topics that either most interested them or would most indicate to them whether to buy. And then convert them to full buyers. :)

With respect to the secondary goal I knew it as inevitable some people would land exactly where you are, having read some good stuff but missing the whole picture. And then maybe convert to buyers :)

I obviously still want to sell books, and 20 hours is not enough to convey everything in the book, but I'm really excited to be able to fill in the gaps for people in your shoes. And also to do it in video/powerpoint format with forums for interaction with viewers and hopefully a badass pro or two (watch my video Phil!!), which I never really achieved with the book despite some efforts.

This will be a complete series that aligns with the entire book, while necessarily being briefer across the board. So it will help you link theory and game play. That's absolutely the ultimate goal. Was with the book too.

Also. I'm writing more books. Shorter and cheaper with different price points and degrees of difficulty.

PSCOM 8 years, 8 months ago

Hi Tom.
Great to have you here. I instantly reactivated my Elite account. I am excited to see your next videos and I would also love to to see your great analytical skills applied in practice.

omgnhlol 8 years, 8 months ago

I have a feeling PLO games gonna get tougher now that your material is accessible to RIO subscribers lol. You are a legend Mr. Chambers!

Tom Chambers 8 years, 8 months ago

Just wanted to note a couple things.

  • I'm making this 24 parts, turning the Pre-Flop, Flop, Turn, River videos into two parts each.

  • This creates balance between the first half and second half of the series, with 12 videos on structural theory topics, and 12 videos on game play theory topics.

  • Also intend to make the supplemental hand analysis videos 12 parts also to add more balance, and once I get the first five theory videos out will start releasing some of those. More will come alongside the second half of the series, though.

  • I don't think this series conflicts with my book, Advanced PLO Theory. It aligns with it, but doesn't duplicate. Someone asked about that elsewhere, basically not wanting the videos to put that material out there as a rerun for buyers and cheaper for any elite members without it. It's not possible to address everything in the book even in a series this long, and I'm shifting angles in a few ways.

  • I added info to my 1-1 coaching bio, single lesson rates from $175-$250 depending on whether student has bought written material. Prepaid volume discounts for everyone. Plus, all RIO elite members get an extra 10% off. Availability is limited.

guerra2 8 years, 7 months ago

Hi Tom,

Excellent video, I get lost about the recommendation of program "vampire"
if u can tell me here will be great

many thanks
Lautaro

Tom Chambers 8 years, 7 months ago

hmm.

I'm lost too. I don't know what you are referring too, which probably means I pronounced something poorly or spoke too fast (probably the latter)

Only programs I am familiar with are ProPokerTools (PPT), PokerJuice and Omaha Ranger. I'm trying really hard to get one of those to sound like vampire but I can't get there.

I'm glad you liked the video though :) Part 4: Connectedness #1 will be out this Friday.

Tom Chambers 8 years, 7 months ago

if you really want to have some fun, 5-card combinatorics is coming out tomorrow :)

my definition of fun is different from some people's.

This switch is because I didn't get connectedness 1 done and the 5-card was already produced. Connectedness 1 is very close and I promise it will be out next week.

Ben Lafferty 7 years, 6 months ago

In the slide named Basic Poker Examples, when you are discussing unpaired flops, I think you have a typo. It should say 1,144 upaired monotone flops, right?

4streetbluff 6 years, 10 months ago

and being picky here, the second last line under, what is combinatorics. It say 52x21x50x49. 21 have to be 51...correct? I am sorry to very picky here at things, which probably obvious. But i am just so unsure of math. But i decided to eat this elephant series....one bite at the time. And i am learning a lot.

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