PLO Beginnings
Posted by Tom Coldwell
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Perfect for me!
Your nitty roots are showing!
Ah, the fond memories of nittiness past. The 2 seconds of silence when you watched yourself fold AKT6ds at 7:05 was gold, and I blushed in sympathy. :-D
Excellent video concept, and it shows clearly how the game always evolves, and that we must evolve with it.
Hey Tom,
Great vid as usual :) would have loved a vid like this when I first picked up plo and I think it will really help people make the initial switch from nl to plo.
Thanks for the comments guys, glad you've enjoyed this vid :)
Your videos are very enjoying to watch Tom. You have a great attitude and a very nice accent. Keep them coming!
SO interesting.....Jason Somerville did something very similar re a h/up match he played 7 yrs or so ago and was horrified :-)
Nice one Tom...thanks
Great Video. Very well explained and easy to follow. Perfect for me starting out PLO25.
Would be great to see a video on general tips for starting out in PLO. For example Zoom v standard tables, study time v playing time, study methods -hand review, video watching. starting hands etc.
Thanks
Hey Tom,
I loved this video, its perfect for a player such as myself. I recently switched over from NLHE to PLO. This video clearly outlines that I am way too loose preflop.
An idea for your future video “preflop hand ranges” could be what kind of hands should we be playing SB vs BB when everyone has folded to us
in the blinds?
Some concepts that you may talk about: completing, raising, folding, limp calling a raise, raise folding, raise and re-raising.
I just reached the 100,000 hand plateau in 25PLO and my VPIP/PFR/3B/AGG looks like this: 40/20/5/2 with a winrate of 4bb/100. I would love to increase my winrate by double before jumping up to 50PLO. Any tips or pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
It's hard to give great pointers without more info, but if you're playing 40/20 it seems like you might be a little bit too loose/passive. I certainly wouldn't want my VPIP and PFR diverging by quite that much so you can probably find some situations where your calls could be raises or folds (you may also not be stealing enough in late position).
Beyond that, I suggest you post some tough spots on the forums and I'm sure people will be happy to help you out.
really bad video really
I would say that the videa is really bad for advanced players because almost all spots are standard at least for me. But as the title already said it is intended for beginners to show them some common mistakes ppl make when starting PLO, so for that reason i think the video is not bad at all and it also help better players to look at their basics and see if they are doing something wrong. Dont really see what soo bad about this video.
I have a question, at 29:50 you say that AJT3 is def. too weak to open UTG! I have always been playing these types of hands(suited to the A) but i have been thinking about them quite a it and not sure whats best. Im opening 16% UTG, does this seem too light? I know some good players at higher stakes that only open 8% UTG!
Is there a difference for you between AKQ2 suited to the A and the hand stated above? Not sure how strong these types of hands should be in order to play them. I always play AJT2 suited to the A, but AJT6 would be a fold for me unless double suited.
With regards to AKQ2 vs. AJT3, I'm not sure and it would probably depend on the game, but I guess we might be able to open. These hands both benefit from the A being suited to the wheel card (AhKQ2h > AhKhQ2) because it allows us to run into other big flushes which is excellent. Equally, the AKQ having slightly better high-card potential means our pair + draws will often be on the stronger side (we won't ever be getting in second pair + draw versus top pair + draw and losing on blank, blank).
As for how wide we should be UTG, I don't know what's optimal, but I would advise being tight unless you have a very compelling reason not to be. Being OOP completely sucks in PLO so there's really no reason, especially when the stacks are deep and equities run close, to get involved more often than we are comfortable with. I'm tighter than you are normally (comfortably <15%), but that said 16% clearly isn't crazy so that doesn't seem problematic for me. Indeed, I believe I am probably missing some profitable opens with my conservative UTG strategy. Just look through your PT4/HM2 database and I'm sure you can work out if you are having problems. (FYI, the AJT3 hand was a 15% hand so probably near the bottom of your range as you might expect).
Lastly, just wanted to mention that your comment re: AJT2 vs. AJT6 is a good observation and very much the right way to be thinking about preflop hand selection. :)
Thanks a lot for the comment and for sharing your thoughts!
I do agree about UTG being tight and i actually was playing even more from UTG 6 months ago ( so i did some adjustments) but i think folding couple more hands from UTG wont hurt my game especially after moving up stacks.
I def. think that you are right and i ll be able to find some hands in my HM2 database that i shouldnt open UTG! :-)
The very last hand AJ77 on A3963 board when you fired 3 barrels against pre-flop raiser, who checked the flop oop. You said the turn bet is bad, because you can`t make any better hands to fold. I was wondering, if it`s standard for him (or most of players) to call with naked AK**, AQ** there? I am folding AKQ*, so for me turn bet looks ok. Any thoughts about that?
Agree, that the river bet is horrible.
Thanks!
I'm not saying calling AK** is 'standard' as in good, but that it's what I expect from most random opponents. Basically, I don't think I'm going to fold out those hands readless very often, even if theoretically I should. I agree that it isn't as bad as the river bet though!
Ok, thx. Maybe it`s my leak to give up too early with this kind of hands.
Dude u r the best.
Just became a member and Im planning to watch all yor vids in the nex couple of weeks.
Really cant stress enough how helpfull this vid was!
you werent good in those days!!
what i do in 6 max right now I guess im to passive.
I play on PLO table where rarely anyone folds preflop. almost 85% hands are played by each player. There is not much 3 bet or 4 bet but first raise is called by almost everyone. Also there is rarely any bet lesser than the POT at any street. What do you suggest me to do on such a table. ALso people often play short stack.
Its weird spot. People think they need to play tighter and wait for big hands. But reality if they are bad pre they are bad post. So I would play tighter range op but when I have position I would play more wide range. If you hit big they will pay you off more often then not so you don't have to have a great starting hand. Plus you usually get to get in pots at cheap price since nobody is really 3b or iso raising like on a tough table would. U want to see a lot of boards against these players ip and op play much tighter range.
Sorry for such a late comment. Simply the idea of going back to your old (earliest) hands and seeing how your game has changed is fantastic. Thank you
Myeh...
39:00 Q3sQ3o is it not to loose from the UTG!? I do not think I can play this hand on the low limits for profit. Btw I am often postflop OOP.
5:02 Not much choice we have a pretty clear "CALL" I think, and then my mind blows
I would have played that hand exactly the same, MTT player trying to get into PLO lol
Wish I found this video about a couple years ago. Great stuff.
Rotzak was here
Great video. I've been playing PLO for years now but never really seriously worked on my game. I figured it couldn't hurt to work on the basics and I was right, I definately needed a refresher. Btw, Vision's UTG open raising range is 18% and AJT3 (double suited and ace suited combos) are within that range.
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