PKO High Stakes Live Session: Close to the Bubble
Posted by Pedro Madeira
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Hey Pedro Madeira enjoying this series... particularly the idea of expanding value shove ranges and also expanding calling off ranges in PKO's. However, I did have a question at 24:10 - calling off 54BB with KJo. Man that seems loose. I get that (i) you have chance to pick up two bounties (ii) your stack is over 100BB stack (iii) if you lost you'd cover everyone but the guy to your immediate right (much better than doubling up someone to your left).
However, overall a flip is pretty much best case scenario isn't it? Going to be dominated often enough by AK, KQ, JJ+ that this is not a terrific spot for that price. Would seem really bad for the 54BB stack to shove all in with KT, QJ, JT. Thats about all you ahead of. I think more likely he has AQ, AT than any of those 4 hands. Much more likely again that he has AK, 99+. I guess you have been in this spot often enough to warrant call but wondering if you could show if it is close or easy call.
By comparison to the KJo hand for 54BB's both of the QTo hands seemed easy calls for 15-20BBs when you had 100-130BBs. You had more chips and it was much less to call. Really looking forward to seeing you work through this -all of the 13 hands you marked for review actually!
Thanks again for great series!
PS That phrase you couldn't quite get in the moment: I think its "Chips lost are worth more than chips won" - i.e. diminishing value of chips but how do we apply that in PKO's when we also widening our ranges?
Hi!
Glad you are enjoying it.
Regards to the KJ it's a very +EV call. What you are getting wrong it's BU shoving range. He could jam as wide as any pair, Ax+ and all suited and offsuited broadways, so when considering the dead money bounty for the two players, it will be a very +ev call.
And about this last phrase "Chips lost are worth more than chips won" it's basically the fact that we can not afford to risk too many chips when considering ICM, as they are worth money. It simply translates into more tight raising strategys, with less raises and more limps as well as more agressive re-steal shoves applying pressure on other stacks.
48:45 Wondering what size river bet you'd consider calling here with third pair? Agree a J checks turn often but might also check river whereas a bet, check, bet line could be a couple of stabs no? I think a K often bets flop turn and checks river rather than bet flop and river. If there were more draws that missed would you give this more consideration of a call? Guess you block QT/AT/T9... hmmm. Without a T, maybe with a 67/68 hand, is that more worthy of a call?
I only call third pairs that will block the strong Jx, such as with A or Q kicker. I will have lots of better Jx and even Kx to be calling with, so no need to be calling off with weak 6x there.
Regards to his strategy, theoretically he should be cheking a decent freq. o Kx OTT as well as QQ and all Jx and stabbing most bluffs there, so not a huge chunk of bluffs OTR when he playg b, c, b.
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