Playing AA in PLO
Posted by Jack Mitchell
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Min20 I agree that 3ways beeing balanced prob doesnt matter that much at all. But since you have so many strong ops in your range on a board that doesnt hit either player hard, I feel like potentially you could get away with just potting your whole range (for that spr). As you said utg just has to call tight, giving you even more feq. Also you really dont have zero equity hands. All your low rds have tp plus some kind of straight draw and a hand like QJT9ds just picks up so much equity on quite a lot of turn cards (like the one in this case), to make up for the few times ppl find tp plus straight draw or AKKx w the wheelgutter and call you off. Ofc that only works with a rather tight squeezing range in your spot and somewhat reasonable villains.
Yeah I think you're right, given the situation and stacks, I think jam is the way to go. Probably wouldn't have affected the result, I just have to learn to run better!
Seems like the biggest hands involve AA somehow. It's good to have a theory vid on things to consider when raising or calling
They do, I have such a love/hate relationship with aces. Hopefully this vid demonstrates that we don't have to just 3/4 bet them and punt on any flop but actually have other playability options to pot control and stay balanced.
We want them pots big when we we have a lock on the hand!
I realized that I would never do mistakes like showed on video if I am maximums focused, but then I started to think, that I still have similar mistakes, why? I think in my case it's luck of focus or to many tables in same time.
Conclusion for me - Have to be more careful and if focus is going to lower side, then have to stop, playing.
It will totally vary from person to person. Some people burn out and play really bad tired. I think I do okay on little sleep, but if I'm hungry or dehydrated my concentration instantly goes!
Self-evaluation and realising weaknesses like this is a really good thing to be actively doing.
Try out some different things, play a few sessions with less tables and see how you perform. If you notice a big difference then you can start making steps to improving the weakness.
I think everyone has some days when they just aren't feeling it, and I agree on those days when focus is low to just not play
16 mins you mention that people playing too many hands oop multi way can be hard / frustrating to play against I disagree with this and argue it is spots like this where our superior hand selection, positional advantage, bet sizings and all round poker competence will get us in a lot of +ev spots.
I understand equities run close,etc but getting it in, for example 3 way with 38% is obviously just printing money.
Enjoyable refresher video though always like people going over nuts and bolts and pointing out things that may get forgotten in the fog of expanding knowledge and you present it well and enthusiastically.
For,beginners it would,be an excellent video to begin learning PLO (not trying to sound like i am Phil Ivey/Galfond hope you get my point).
Cheers
Hey man,
Yeah I totally get where you're coming from and agree for the most part, presuming we have a skill advantage, spots like this should work out for us in the long run. What I meant was that, in general, we'll have to act more honestly in multi-way pots. For example, in a 4 way pot, we're up against 12 other cards, so without a strong made hand/draw or relevant blockers, it can get pretty dicey trying to make moves as it's so likely someone else has a hand. It's not like we'll always be able to be in the ideal relative position either which has quite a big impact on playability.
Given that people don't tend to fold, in spots where we squeeze AA, we often get credit for having them and so don't get value when we hit, or if it's a scary board will get played back at, so there's definitely lots of value in being deceptive sometimes. It also feels wrong/frustrating having to 3bet then c/fold but sometimes it just has to be done! Just flatting and playing a smaller pot to begin with is a way of countering that.
If I'm playing bloated pots, being in position and HU is the ideal combo, it means we have more room to manoeuvre and only have to worry about exploiting one opponent.
Glad enjoyed the vid and the way it was presented. Haha I get your point (I know you're not trying to subtly brag ;). Beginners to the game was the main demographic I was aiming this at so I'm happy that came across.
Hand at around 30:00
Why do you wanna shove the turn? I think your estimation of his range is quite accurate however I do think he can sometimes play a str8 like this. Additionally I don't really think he folds many 2pairs vs a shove with that little left over. A lot of his 2pairs also have additional draws with should entice him even more to not fold. So I highly prefer just calling the turn given that you're around 30:70 vs K8 i.e.
Similar story on the river however I think it's a lot closer. Your idea of turning this hand into a bluff is quite good and I'd like it vs a reg or at least thinking player. However again I expect the average fish at these stakes to show up with straights too often and/or not fold 2pairs/sets to your bet. You also don't have any good blockers, even reverse blockers given that you have 2 high spades.
Intrigued to her some more thoughts on this. :)
Hey,
Thanks for the question, quite an interesting spot. Some of my reasoning was based on previous hands and lines he had taken. I was playing pretty aggro, and the player had a tendency to let me barrel and put in c/raises (which was effective given we were shallow), so the line seemed pretty fishy to me and seemed more like protection/probing rather than an exploitative value line. Given these assumptions, I think jamming to put pressure on would have been effective, and if I get called it's not a total disaster, I'll always have fine equity. I think jamming the turn would've worked better than getting to river. He could get suspicious about missed spades and I also protect from rivers such as 7s and 10s rolling off that I feel kind of obligated to bluff when checked to that he can autocall with a lot of his one card straights (obviously against opponents who keep checking strong hands to me on such rivers I would have to adjust).
I think this opponent was a thinking player and so was definitely capable of making some big-ish folds, as well as some good calls. I also think you're right that some of the standard players would just have it here, but we had played enough that I was fairly confident with my reads.
A very good point that you make about having no blockers making it more likely he has some combos of those hands. Even having a 10 or 7 in my hand would've probably swayed me to making a move here. It's important to not just have draws when we're flatting and made hands when we're jamming for the sake of balance, and I think this hand specifically works well as a semi-bluff, particularly against the range we've assigned him.
fab video, loved it thanks :)
great topic, well put together :)
cheers boss, good to have you back ;)
loved the format. don't understand how to stack off with AA so much? I appreciate you also showing mistakes and explaining why u made them and why u think they are mistakes.
Thanks! Obviously there are a ton of different factors when deciding to stack off (or not!) with AA. Hopefully this video outlined some things to start considering though. I think looking at mistakes, admitting you have them and thinking of ways to improve is a great way to progress as well.
This is a great video and hope you can do one soon - with regards to stacking off with aces and relative SPRs...as a general guide that would be awesome
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