great video concept. I don't play PLO unfortunetely, but I like this theory/presentation part follow up by a bunch of example. would be good to get it for MTT. one concept and examples. I'm going to suggest it in the video request thread.

Phew!  Survived all that check-folding in the beginning.  Really enjoyed this approach to a video.  Lotta content condensed into one topic.  Thanks, Phil.

I liked the video and hope your produce more like it. I thought one of the more interesting aspects of the video was actually some of the turn spots you addressed given your flop considerations like the QQ spot at 21:17 or the akq9 spot at 28:48 or leading the turn with the a-high flush. That is to say I think it would be cool if you could do a video about turn spots in 3 bet pots out of position after you c/c flop or the flop checks through. 

Nice vid, Phil.

For me, it seems the theme of the video was how often the board favored villain range, if not then at least mediocre for your range.

~My first question would be what boards, other then A high, allow 3B to be more agg with range(paired boards?)?

~If it is true in general that most boards force oop 3B to yield to IP with range, what then are the implications for 3b strategy? Since default 3B ranges are necessarily AA and high card rundown heavy, that range ends up with mediocre board coverage, right?

I realize this is sort of general, overarching stuff that probably cant be answered in post...but maybe potential content for future video.

4:55 AAT4ccc check/fold on JT6r vs aggro btn SPR spr ~4. 

That seems like a flop where we have a pretty significant equity advantage vs btn's range (like close to 60% depending on his btn stl % and F3b %) and we block a ten meaning we remove some of his 2pr/set combos.  

If we cbet, villain jams this range: 2PR>, PR>+OE>, WR, TP+2OC, OP+(NGD, OE>) which happens 31% of the time.  We have 34.6% equity so a pretty clear bet/fold.  So I think I like checking over betting.

I'm curious if you can elaborate a bit more on why your x/f'ing this hand.  It seems like we're folding a decent chunk of equity here vs his range as a whole.  Is it just the fact that we have no back doors, he's going to check back some complete misses so his betting range becomes stronger, and we have such a hard time realizing enough of our equity on turns/river when we call to justify continuing? 

@ 11:30 - Hero has Td Ts 8d 7s on a Th 9d 4s board

You say that you prefer betting over check-calling. Is there a reason that you wouldn't consider check-raising here. (Maybe stack sizes are a bit awkward). But doesn't it make sense to use the top of your range for check-raising so as to de-incentivize your opponent from betting too thinly or wide?

EDIT: Actually later in the video, you say that you like betting with this hand because you don't have hands like QJ or KJ4 to check-back fearing being check-raised. But if you're not check-raising with this hand, then what hands are you check-raising with on this board? And if you don't have a check-raising range, then what is there for for your opponent to fear?

AA84 has to have way too much equity against BERRI SWEET's button opening range to just k/f on 972cc even with bad visibility I would think. 

supergood and interesting stuff

every video of that kind is highly appreciated eventhough its ovious you cant do it everytime given it is a lot more work than live play

Thx for the responses, PG. Good stuff.

good video but i think a lot of the hardest spots to play in these situations are later. You say your generally betting more polarised and check calling a lot of mid strength hands and i think a lot of people can get this and find good spots to do it, the hard part is playing the medium strength hands on a lot of runouts. So i think that something along the same lines but covering those spot is needed to fully address this topic

Phil this was absolutely an excellent video.  Thanks for listening to suggestions and coming through a with an awesome topic, some quick and in depth lessons, and then a trove of examples to help explain the strategy.  I can't wait to see more videos on similar topics.

ps: I understand why many people were hoping for non-SCOOP content from you (and I was as well) but I have to say when I got up yesterday I was all excited to see the latest FT action from the SCOOP ;-)  Those videos inspired me to play some PLO MTTs, and so far in 3 tourney's have 1 FT, 1 cash just shy of FT, and one bubble.  So they def added a lot of value to my PLO MTT game.

Hey Phil, very very cool video, learned a lot. One question though, can this concept be used in lower limits against fishes whose ranges, IMO,  might vary a bit from perceived REG ranges you mention in this video or it doesnt matter that much? Thanks

Phil, this was a great video.  Thanks for doing this. 

I have a question about the board texture.  On flops like 965hh or 654ss, you mentioned that you will always check because 3b caller will have a significant range advantage on these flops.  This makes sense in and of itself.  However, if our opponent is aware of these, wouldn't he try to raise a ton when we do c-bet, making our c-bet very profitable on the rare occasions we actually hit the board?  

That said, I guess the reason why you would always check here is that we won't hit these boards often enough, so if we only c-bet with nuts and some air, our checking range is significantly weakened..?  Or, maybe he can just float a lot when we c-bet instead of raising, in which case checking with nuts with the intention of x/r can become a better play?

It's a fundamental question, but I always thought that we should be betting the top of our range, at least with some frequency, even on the boards that are really bad for our range.  It seems like I have been making a significant mistake by doing that, so if you can enlighten me that'd be greatly appreciated!

- midori

For the next vid of this type I would love to see how to play turns after xc flop.  Single or 3b pots but mostly single where SPR is high. When you lead on myriad of turns and with what.  Lead medium turned flushes, or more polarized, etc.  It still comes down to a range advantage criteria,  but I find that often it's nearly a tie on draw completing turns on who has it more. 

best video ive seen here in a long time, except for JNandez maybe. Well done!

Awesome video Phil! Would love to see more of those types of videos, maybe playing OOP in 3bet pots as the pre-flop caller, or something like that.

Top 3 videos i`ve ever seen here for sure! Thank you so much =)!

Exelent video Phil, definitely in top 5 ever. For me it was just a perfect format. Just want to ensure you that we (or at least I) do want to watch standart/simple/boring hands. Hope you do a vid on how to play nontricky boards as well (we still can have tricky hands on that boards dont we?).

1.Do you have a polar betting range on boards that is good for villain range as well as on boards that is good/ok for your range?

2.Could you make a guess and estimate your x/folding equity on lets say

a)Q9Jhh

b)T75r

c)763ss

d)T95 monotone

very nice vid phil! 

I have a question about the topic 'polarized betting' on the semiconnected HLL boards like Q53s : if you do bet all your strong hands and the best weak hands with turn-improvement potential, do you still have hands in your c/r range to balance your checks? Would it be correct to assume that the best hands to c/r are dry made hands like sets and 2pair , OP+GS hands that have good EQ but not great playbility on later streets? While all combohands like OP/TP+NFD , wrap+FD ... play better as a bet in order to build a pot and getting villain to invest more money with weaker holdings?

Hi Phil, is there any chance you could get Ansky to join the RIO team? I did a webinar of his once and he is a very good teacher.

Phil, I think its way more interesting and relevant in single raised high SPR spots. HH review would suffice. I think its most pertinent where turn completes either the FD or the wrap or both and how to decide to check or lead with the myriad of our range. Medium turned hands, bluffs, strong turned hands, etc. 

one suggestion would be to make a pf situation where we defend Bb and flop comes j75hh for example. Use the same flop and same pf action for every HH and discuss how you would play various hands on various turns.

Great video Phil. Focusing on a specific topic like this is an outstanding resource especially since RIO already has a huge and great library of general vids. I am very excited about the possibility of a video focused on flopping trips especially in a high SPR scenario and especially out of position.  I play live FR and I seem to get outplayed often in trip v trip situations.  

Phil, I wenbt through several posts Ive made in prior videos addressing spots related to leading turn after xc flop. Perhaps you could look at them and see if it helps formulate a video structure.

Zachary Freeman

Secondary question, how do you approach turn leading or lack thereof in spots where you x/c flop and the turn changes significantly? For example Flop T84dd, you xc and turn is a 5c. This turn I'm guessing you would check your whole range given villain still probably has a range advantage and will bet wide again. However how do you approach a 2h turn? Or even a 7h? Lets say you have 3 hand types. A) Q-high flush, B)Nut flush, C) missed wrap. I would think you could go two routes.

You could check everything and bluff missed wraps if it checks thru? Or are you leading missed wraps and Nuttier flushes and x/c mid flushes? 

Im more looking for your thought process than the actual lines. 

Thanks

and the other followup posts discussion in here:

http://www.runitonce.com/pro-training/videos/3-table-1020-6-max-zoom-plo-live-sess/

Zachary Freeman

9:24 Table 2; I think you should be turning AJ into a bluff on river. You are near the bottom of your range and you shouldn't have many one-pair hands on this runout. Our range is capped and saturated with merged value bets; I'd lead about 50% pot. 

http://www.runitonce.com/pro-training/videos/3-table-255-6-max-zoom-plo-live-sess-2/

9:45 T984hh on Q76,Ahh 

Why did you choose not to c/r flop? And if you felt x/c was better then how did c/r turn become more attractive? *Other than people respect turn c/r's in general and wont expect draws as much, or is that it?

On Turn your value range seems narrow; AQ+ and even those AQ hands would probably require some type of backup to get in two pair SPR>6.

Given he flatted your c/r, would you c/f on a J, or heart river even though you get there? Seems close. My thoughts are x/f>x/c>>jam

Thoughts?

Minute 32, AJT3... why did you X/R to 2500 instead of pot which is about 3700??  do you want to have an X/R - fold range here that you fold to reshoves?  Otherwise if you don't want to have an X/R range that includes folds, it feels like you'd just want to pot your entire X/R range here.

If my reasoning about your X/R sizing is correct, what would be some of the hands you're X/R folding on this board?  TT type hands?  Hands with the naked Ad?

More of this Phil ! You have an incredible talent for teaching and thinking about every possible scenario. Great stuff!

+1 one for one of the best plo content so far. Learned a lot from watching and reading. Thx phil 

One of your very best videos. :-) Super useful and accessible to players on all levels the way you explained it elegantly with big picture concepts and logic. I would love to see a follow-up with defending against 3-bets/c-bets IP. :-) 

Question about the K53dd board.  You said you'd c/c hands like AKQT and then you also c/c hands like 7754dd.  

When the turn comes a T or higher and doesn't complete the flush, are you now leading everything? 

Quick question on KQT8ds, where you c/c Q62ss without a FD. Turn 3o goes check check. My question is if you'd lead spade rivers. You said in a comment above that you want to cbet strong FDs to charge dominated draws, so that would advise against leading spades. On the other hand you could have some weaker FDs like in the 7754ds hand where you c/c K53ss with a FD. So I'd be inclined to lead out the river, also because he should be betting the flop with only the strongest flushdraws out of fear of being c/r with a weaker FD.

loved it! more tricky board play!

My first post at RunItOnce!
I'm very excited and glad to have joined the site. Maybe late to join the party but I have missed falling asleep to your voice Phil. I'm strictly a PLO player and I'm going to follow you as well as the other PLO coaches and also try to contribute by posting in a lot of threads. This video is definitely one of the best I've ever seen and I do think the concept is very important.
One question: I currently play mid-stakes at Swedish Games (Svenska Spel), where the games are very loose-aggressive, with a lot of 3-betting, 4-betting and calling preflop. However, my opponents are for the most part very straightforward non-thinking players, who calls a lot preflop but will just give up and fold postflop when they miss, basically not being very tough. I found that c-betting a lot against these players is very profitable. Against weaker opponents like this, who won't take range-advatages or ranges at all etc into consideration, compared to your opponents, how important is the concept of checking/giving up on boards that favors the range of the caller IP?
One Suggestion: I would like to see you expand on this concept by showing more hands played against other positions than the button. Hands like 3-betting vs UTG, HJ or CO from SB or BB for example, (or 3-bets made IP), which would definitely change the ranges and how we should navigate postflop. I would find that very interesting :)

This is a long post already, so I'll end it here.
Keep up the very good work Phil!

Love the video. Good speed, amount of information, theory and practice.

Just signed up for first time ever for elite, with the goal to learn PLO, of which I am a beginner. Appreciate how you cover basic and advanced topics, teach the theory and put it all in perspective via the hand history at fast speed to allow me to soak up lots of relevant info.

hi I really like this series, and I appreciate the number of hands. More like this please!!!

Hi phil
do u think this video is good now also now days? or the game has developed in kind of way which makes is less accurate?