500NL Zoom Session Review (2 of 2)
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Do you think players are likely to fold Ace high on an offsuit T? Offsuit 7?
I'd also really like to have a c/r range, which would have to be fairly polarized... Maybe gutters and 2pr+. I like that I get to see how the BB reacts if BTN bets before deciding what to do with my potential semibluffs, rather than betting into two people who have their full range of hands.
Obviously, the ranges I'm talking about are difficult to juggle because, for example, I want some of my 2pr+ in all three of my ranges. Since my cbet % won't be very high here, I don't mind spreading my strong hands out somewhat evenly between the ranges.
What I always try to avoid, as I'm sure you know, is turning my hand face up at any point. Admittedly, against players I haven't played against (and won't play against), this leads me to want to avoid x/c with AT here, since that's exactly what it'd look like I have. They likely don't know how deceptive and balanced my range will actually be, and they end up playing perfectly against AT.
like i wrote in the other zoom vid thread - i am more curious how you would think about "building" a check-call and check-raise range as the PFRer in general terms :)
Sorry I didn't see this question in the last video thread.
It's a tough one to answer succinctly, unfortunately. Maybe I can make a video about it some day, but also, I recommend you posting a question like that in the forums (and send me the link here). I'd be curious to see what discussion gets built around it.
The most important part to building a range is making sure that your opponent won't exploit it. Then, in the most simple terms- you should look for hands that you very strongly would prefer to play a certain way, for EV reasons (x/c, x/r, x/f, bet). Next, include other hands in those ranges to balance out the huge vacuum +EV hands (unless you think your opponent isn't capable of catching on).
Certainly we are far ahead of a lot of other hands that he can c/c with and also we need to get value. I understand that. I'm wondering if its possible to place this hand in our checking range. I feel that this board we will check give up on a certain amount of times and it is very nice to have this hand in that range. However worried about if it would make our value range too narrow on flop?
Just a thought about a possible different line to take what do you think?
I like that this makes you jump to taking creative lines, and I do think checking here is good SOME of the time, but I think that the value we get from 3barreling is just too great to pass up. Betting has to be our standard I think.
Also good point about us having a lot of hands we ck/give up with. You're asking all the right questions. I'd like to think that means we're teaching you well :)
http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/process-for-building-a-checkcall-and-ch/
Sorry to bump this but I only joined recently (enjoying the vids so far btw).
On the 99J49 when you bet river with A3 did you choose the 1/2 pot sizing as a "vacuum play" or as a range play? Given that his range is very firmly capped and that you are betting with a hand as far up in your range as A high isn't this a good spot for an overbet (as you can be c/raising turn)? Or does the fact that you would bet a lot of air on the turn make your river betting range less polarized making overbetting less good?
08;30: ATo MP: You fold river but argue that it probably is a call. Besides your own analysis/thoughts, I think youhave to call according to your own range too. I feel you are somewhere in the top of your check-turnrange, but I have yet to run the numbers and you might have more Kx’s in your check-back rangethan I assume.
18;00: 79o 3b BTN: You argue that 97o i almost the same as 97s in this spot. I couldn’t be more disagreeing and I thinkthis is a huge neglection (is that even a word?) of a theoretical based strategy. I think it means theworld for your cbetting range and his call-cb-range and I think you will 3bet way too much if you3bet 97o here - a top 56% hand. As the board ran out you would be in so much better shape with97dd/cc, but that is obviously a result-based mindset rather than a good decisions-mindset.That beeing said, it might be a profitable play in vacuum - you are just opening yourself up forexploitation since I don’t expect you to defend enough to justify a 3b like this.
in the first ATo hand, given the line we took, could we raise the river instead of thinking about calling or folding? i think if we raise the river we can rep a full house very likely.
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