by playin this sticky style I think your flop check raise range could look valuish and maybe easier to exploit by ur opponent ... because ur floating range contains a lot of Ax , Kx and any sort of back door draws ....
now about his 3b frequency, I think it simply lowers during the match only because ur stack shrinks ... so he will get shoved over too many times to keep makin it maybe ....
In the Q4o hand I was wondering if you thought it would be likely that both of you would assume that Shaun never has a flush otr, and because of that you could conceivably go for value OTR with a much wider range. (KJ+)
It seems to me that shaun's range should be mostly bluff catchers, with a very rare 8x+, and that both of you should be aware of that.
Wouldn't the above info make an overjam likely the best option OTR (game theory wise), even if it is fairly high variance as we can expect shaun to call with his bluff catchers at least 25%+?
If he never has flushes, and he (at least) almost never has boats, you're absolutely right.
The problem is, we can't be very confident that he's capped here. We have no idea how he'd play his 8x hands, as one HU match isn't enough time to get reads to be confident in that.
Nice video Phil. Seems like increasing your 4b range has to be a part of how to maximally exploit someone 3betting this wide...Q8o at 21:00 and J5s at 44:00 for example I would expect a 4bet to net a much higher expectation than either calling or folding these marginal hands. Obviously you can go wider for value too with hands like KQ...especially with stacks too big for him to shove wide.
I really didn't want to be 4betting KQ/ATs type hands for value, because in wanted to keep variance low and play a postflop game (though one could argue that calling wide rather than 4betting wide doesn't decrease variance all that much).
I guess in my head I felt that I couldn't 4b bluff very much given my 3b range, and what I perceived as his willingness to 5b jam, but I should've given it more of a try than I did.
As I said in the video, I think I made a lot of mistakes during this match in the name of lower variance.
It's quite interesting that you still keep opening 100% of your BTN. I mean I would have adjusted otherwise, but your reasoning makes lots of sense too. However, apart from 4betting more often as Stephen suggested above, I think you could also have considered/implemented limping in your preflop strategy. I might be wrong, but it seems like lots of hands in your r/f range could have had higher EV when limp-called/raised or even limp-folded. IMO the reasons are twofold: you can a) keep the pot small and probably reduce variance (vs this specific opponent, not always); b) take him out of the comfort zone and his usual game, which incorporates tons of 3betting.
I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this! As a matter of fact I was railing this table in real time, and it's kinda fun to see your actual hand in every spot, which I couldn't do back then..
The reason I continued to open 100% is the same reason that I don't like a limping strategy: I thought he was folding enough to make the steals profitable with weak hands.
Another reason that I didn't adjust to open folding some (which I think would've been a 'proper' response) or open limping, is that I wanted him to keep 3betting as weak as he was. I felt it was a mistake.
I think what I should've done was play a bit tougher against 3bets (pre and postflop), and fold 10-15% on the button.
Good question. I think it's just slightly thin, given that we open ourselves up to getting 3bet, and we don't rep trips/boats very well. (To clarify: we can certainly have trips/boats played this way, so we can "rep" them, however many of them would've played differently at some point most of the time, so he can be somewhat confident he won't run into them)
Phil, while value betting AT after pairing your ten on the river (you said you were 95% sure you were good here), you said youd think about betting large with both bluffs and value bets-- bluffs in order to pick up "more of the pot" and value bets in order to get more value. Can you expand on this?
i know hes not a pro for run it once but seeing a video by shaun on this same match to be able to compare strategies and how both players adjust would be awesome. maybe an idea for a future series.
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by playin this sticky style I think your flop check raise range could look valuish and maybe easier to exploit by ur opponent ... because ur floating range contains a lot of Ax , Kx and any sort of back door draws ....
now about his 3b frequency, I think it simply lowers during the match only because ur stack shrinks ... so he will get shoved over too many times to keep makin it maybe ....
In the Q4o hand I was wondering if you thought it would be likely that both of you would assume that Shaun never has a flush otr, and because of that you could conceivably go for value OTR with a much wider range. (KJ+)
It seems to me that shaun's range should be mostly bluff catchers, with a very rare 8x+, and that both of you should be aware of that.
Wouldn't the above info make an overjam likely the best option OTR (game theory wise), even if it is fairly high variance as we can expect shaun to call with his bluff catchers at least 25%+?
Thanks for the video!
If he never has flushes, and he (at least) almost never has boats, you're absolutely right.
The problem is, we can't be very confident that he's capped here. We have no idea how he'd play his 8x hands, as one HU match isn't enough time to get reads to be confident in that.
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Nice video Phil. Seems like increasing your 4b range has to be a part of how to maximally exploit someone 3betting this wide...Q8o at 21:00 and J5s at 44:00 for example I would expect a 4bet to net a much higher expectation than either calling or folding these marginal hands. Obviously you can go wider for value too with hands like KQ...especially with stacks too big for him to shove wide.
Thanks, Stephen.
I really didn't want to be 4betting KQ/ATs type hands for value, because in wanted to keep variance low and play a postflop game (though one could argue that calling wide rather than 4betting wide doesn't decrease variance all that much).
I guess in my head I felt that I couldn't 4b bluff very much given my 3b range, and what I perceived as his willingness to 5b jam, but I should've given it more of a try than I did.
As I said in the video, I think I made a lot of mistakes during this match in the name of lower variance.
Cool vid, Phil.
It's quite interesting that you still keep opening 100% of your BTN. I mean I would have adjusted otherwise, but your reasoning makes lots of sense too. However, apart from 4betting more often as Stephen suggested above, I think you could also have considered/implemented limping in your preflop strategy. I might be wrong, but it seems like lots of hands in your r/f range could have had higher EV when limp-called/raised or even limp-folded. IMO the reasons are twofold: you can a) keep the pot small and probably reduce variance (vs this specific opponent, not always); b) take him out of the comfort zone and his usual game, which incorporates tons of 3betting.
I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this! As a matter of fact I was railing this table in real time, and it's kinda fun to see your actual hand in every spot, which I couldn't do back then..
Hey midori,
The reason I continued to open 100% is the same reason that I don't like a limping strategy: I thought he was folding enough to make the steals profitable with weak hands.
Another reason that I didn't adjust to open folding some (which I think would've been a 'proper' response) or open limping, is that I wanted him to keep 3betting as weak as he was. I felt it was a mistake.
I think what I should've done was play a bit tougher against 3bets (pre and postflop), and fold 10-15% on the button.
On the KJ hand with K on river, is xR an option? Would you be more likly to do it in a cashgame?
Good question. I think it's just slightly thin, given that we open ourselves up to getting 3bet, and we don't rep trips/boats very well. (To clarify: we can certainly have trips/boats played this way, so we can "rep" them, however many of them would've played differently at some point most of the time, so he can be somewhat confident he won't run into them)
Phil, while value betting AT after pairing your ten on the river (you said you were 95% sure you were good here), you said youd think about betting large with both bluffs and value bets-- bluffs in order to pick up "more of the pot" and value bets in order to get more value. Can you expand on this?
I think I will have to make a video on this subject, as it's a question that's come up a few times.
i know hes not a pro for run it once but seeing a video by shaun on this same match to be able to compare strategies and how both players adjust would be awesome. maybe an idea for a future series.
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