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Help Me Help You: NLHE Range Analysis

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Phil Galfond

POSTED Sep 01, 2013

Phil takes some recent high stakes hands and breaks them down with Odds Oracle, sharing some insights as he studies his own play with a critical eye.

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Don Q 11 years, 6 months ago

You are double barreling 100% of your range in hand 1? 

In hand 2, button will have a stronger calling range than normal pre to keep Mal in the pot in the BB so I would throw in QQ-AA at some frequency.

Phil Galfond 11 years, 6 months ago

I didn't consider it at the time, but if I double barrel KQo here, I likely am double barreling the majority of my range.  Perhaps some Ax hands check and decide, but I can't barrel KQ while claiming I'd be checking a large portion of my air.

Felipe Boianovsky 11 years, 6 months ago

If Mal is a fish, it doesn`t make his BTN calling range stronger, it makes it wider. Sure, he`ll slowplay sometimes, but he`ll also call with weaker suited 1 and 2 gappers and that kind of thing, which might still be bad for Phil, since he`ll have more 7x combos.

Maximilian Rôfls 11 years, 6 months ago

In the TT hand you have the Ts wich blocks some of his spade flushdraws, would this have some impact on the analysis? personaly I think the ideal hand to check-shove would me something ThTd wich unblock his spade and club draws and makes him more likely to have them on the turn and obviously the worst would be TcTs. Does that make a big difference or nothing much change?

JohnnyMcCash 11 years, 6 months ago

Really like the format of this video, the analysis and thought process given is awesome. I really enjoyed the Philosophy videos before but please post more like this! Top boy!

konselieri 11 years, 6 months ago

In the TT hand, what range does he puts you on when you bet this  flop vs 2 players and check the turn when another fd hit ? I think on this kind of flop and turn we will have a lot of draws that we want to barrel and we need a good portion of value hands to balance. If he is thinking, he should check back alot the turn, because we rarely check/fold, mostly c/c or c/r, this is a great turn card to barrel with our backdoor flushdraws when we bet the flop. I think the most profitable line is to bet turn and check the river, regarding ranges and the flop texture.

P.S. For a better analysis of the hand, we have to use software like CRev calculator, make a tree and compare the EV of checking vs the EV of betting turn taking into account a different river scenarios.


R0b5ter 11 years, 6 months ago

I use CREV a lot and I haven't used Oracle at all. Installed Oracle today and quite frankly I'm not impressed compared to CREV. But perhaps I'm not getting the program yet. What do you Oracle users think? 


Oh yeah and I loved this video. Really like the videos that we take a few hands and get deep into them. Helps me a lot. Would like it even more if CREV was the program of choice. :)



midori 11 years, 6 months ago

Oracle can do PLO and even big-O (5 card PLO), but CREV can't.  That's what I think. :)

Honestly though, CREV has its forte when it comes to NL, and you can do lots of things that Oracle just isn't capable of.  For quicker/simpler calculation though, Oracle can come handier and easier to use (combo counting, etc).

Juan Copani 11 years, 6 months ago

TT hand. On the turn why you decided to protect your check range by jamming and not just calling his 15k bet ? There is no merit on let him bluff a brick card on the river ? You think is most important for your overall strategy make him fold on the turn decent equity hands like 9T/JT/Ahighs/FDs than let him bluff another street with them and materialize his equity?? When he calls your turn jam you will be almost dead, is it not important enough ??

I really like this PPT videos, like the hand that you analyzed against Kanu7. These are the videos what actually makes me improve my games a lot. Have an accurate estimation of how strong villain is on different boards is very important and make me improve my own lines.


midori 11 years, 6 months ago

Phil,

On the KQo hand I am not sure if I understand what you meant by "my 4b was too loose."  Sure, if you include KQo in your cold 4betting range that's a healthy 12 combos and widen your 4b range by quite a bit.  However, as long as your opponents don't know that, and close to half of their range on the flop/turn are mere bluff catchers (A high no draw) anyway, isn't this a good spot to go off-balance and exploit it by barreling a lot?

That said it seems a good vacuum/exploitative play to me on this board texture, but maybe I am wrong here.  Or did you mean to say your play was too loose on random boards, not this specific one?

Restecp 11 years, 6 months ago

What do you think about call_911's turn bet sizing? Assuming you are check/calling very few FD's it seems too big to me. Bet/tankfolding seems like a weird play with this betsizing. 

Uri Peleg 11 years, 6 months ago

About the TT hand: I think the result of your analysis is that after betting flop, even on a turn that's good for your hand you are going to have a lot of very thin and marginal decisions. My conclusion would be that you should either bet flop smaller or check flop - what do you think? You were also assuming you get peeled by hands like 55-66 which I think is a bit optimistic as I think those are too weak to call vs a sane betting range

brahsworld84 11 years, 5 months ago

sorry I am late to the party. 

@13 mins... when you went to see how he was doing with QQ what was your reasoning for not including AxKy combos?

What are you doing with AKo here? There arent any benefits I can see why we would choose to 4bet bluff with KQo over AKo or am I missing something?

ElGreno 11 years, 4 months ago


Thanks for a different video!

On hand #1 I feel like alot of the strenght in your barrel there comes from him not knowing your postflop bluffing frequencies?

You say that this is a close spot or a call for him with Queens depending on how you assign your own ranges but this is all assuming he knows you're bluffing 100% of the time with your bluffs, wich I assume he doesn't?

I would think this mean your play should show profit against queens as long as he doesnt know your bluffing frequency, since it already beeing kinda close if he knew it was 100%.

 

I think he has a easy laydown there with Queens unless some specific dynamics and strategy has come into play regardless of him beeing ahead of your actual range, just aslong as he cant say that you're betting all of it 100% of the time.

 

Am I right here or should he in reality (without much of reads.) be calling here against even the optimistic range of yours that had alot of bluffs in it preflop?


reshove 11 years, 1 month ago

amazing video. you are the man! I was wondering, in the 872ss7cc hand when you have the tens i would like to explore the reasons to shove rather than to call after we check. It seems for me that once i check a hand like this i almost always check call and check rivers. Would you say in this spot its appropriate and likely to have only a check shoving or check folding range on the turn? I mean i see the merits to shoving- cause he bets flush draws and straight draws that are put into a tough spot occasionally. Has to fold his equity share with other lowered pair hands, or make a bad call. And were out of position so it eliminates river playability implications for us. I guess what I'm asking (over general question) is when should we be looking to shove with medium strength value hands in spots where some (not so good players) would say "i would never do that cause you're basically turning your tens into a bluff."

Thanks buddy

Bryan Gour 10 years, 5 months ago

Great stuff Phil.  On hand 2 TT,

If you are folding out his marginal range/gutters you want to call, you probably induce the same range to bet when checked to and given stack sizes they probably have to fold to your shove. 

So it seems like with the range breakdown you should really only be check shoving this spot and nothing else.  It seems so simple.  He bets his full range on the turn, and value calls your shove with only over pairs (which include 99), 7x, his very few 9T which you block, and value owns himself on 99 and TP.  He has to fold out all the gutter and flush equity even the backdoor club equity he picks up on the turn he floated flop with.  His calling range to the x/shove is just extremely narrow.  So narrow in fact that it seems like a huge mistake to have so many draws in his range and still bet the turn.  

I don't really like his turn bet if he knows you are capable of check shoving turn.  He should do pretty well on almost any river as he can bet/raise his value hands on brick rivers to rep missed draws, check behind with whiffs, call hands like 55/66/ and good Ax bluff catchers, and also bet/raise misses and when his draws do come in making it very hard for you to get value. 

 

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