500NL Zoom Session Review (1 of 2)
Posted by Phil Galfond
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I play 100nl zoom and I was interested in what you were saying about it being correct to fold slightly profitable spots pre in order to get in more hands, therefore increasing your hourly rate assuming you could win at a decent win-rate. I understand the logic I was just wondering how far to take this, as in do u think it is right to only fold very marginally +ev spots ie opening 22 utg (assuming that was +ev) or do you think it can be correct to make even tighter folds like KQo, AJo utg etc.. or even tighter?? if your winning at a good win-rate already?
passing up on +ev spots also makes us a less tough opponent to play against im assuming which could have an extra (albeit small) impact on our win-rates..
I haven't studied my NL database (nor do I have a large enough db for it to matter), but you'd need to figure out roughly how +EV the hands are. I doesn't cost you much time to wait, so I wouldn't pass up more than only very slightly +EV. Also, the larger your winrate, the more you make per hand, and the more you gain by folding.
Regarding the AQ hand you are in EP and c/r 566 ... Are there any turn/river combinations you are not bet/shoving?
When he stabs at the flop, as I said, I think his range is almost every hand in he preflop range.
When he calls the c/r, his range is narrowed, yes, but I also believe there's a reasonable chance he's floating.
I do assume a large part of his range after calling the turn consist of 22-TT and occasionally some high hh hands. Were the river to be anything lower than a 9, I'd be very likely to give up on the hand. The combination of him hero calling added to the times he's slowplayed and then added to the times that a 2, 3, 4, 7, 8 improve his hand make it a more unattractive bluff spot.
but say im winning at around 3bbs/100, how much do u think i should adjust from what the normally optimal ranges are?
Correct! 3bb at 100nl = .03 per hand. Getting in one extra hand makes you 3 cents. So yeah, gotta be a very small edge to pass up. Perhaps I overstated this in my video.
To delve deeper, just for fun- If you have a hand on the button that is a marginally +EV open if folded to you, you should be more likely to fold than a hand UTG with the same EV, because there's a x% chance the pot is opened before it gets to you, so you're really only making, let's say, 35% of that hand's button opening EV.
that's my first video I watched on this site!
You guys are doing a great job I think! :)
I wonder if there will be any PLO rush/zoom session reviews?
Would love to hear your thoughts on that type of game!
Regards!
keeping those tiny edge hands in your range increases your winrate when you hold the top part of your range.
so the way to calculate if indeed you improve hourly by taking out tiny edge hands from your range would be smthng like : winrate*h/hr - new winrate*new h/hr
It seems like zoom poker creates more vacuum spots, in that you're playing vacuum-correct poker without a player dynamic or history... since everything is constantly shifting around and (probably) less notes or player stats are being used.
you mentioned that you haven't really built your range for XR as the PFR. can you please explain the thought process you would use to build a range in this spot. if i can understand better how you would build a balanced range in this spot i will be able to think more clearly about how to do the same for myself on different board textures.
thanks
Yes, I would like to know the same, maybe they explain that stuff on another website or something, but which website I will never know
Ow and I like this site so far it's nice to get these discussions going with the likes of Brian just joining in as well.
One point of critique is the video section; it's not easy to find videos quickly, if there's a search function I haven't found it yet.
I'm curious about how it changes the way you should play your range in general, based on how you think he will react and how he will think that you'll react (you probably knew it was the same villain from the other hand and just had nothing to say about it).
Very good video, I enjoyed it a lot.
WOW you play way differently than me.. AQo hand was most interesting.
Good video, i especially liked the insight about how people tend to stab their entire range IP and using creative c/r lines can exploit them. Thanks for the idea!
Great video Phil.
At 25:09, you are saying that you would probably fold AQo to a 3bet if you were in EP. Can you do this confer your range and defend enough? Are you defending something like JQs (your broadway SCs ) before AQo?
Regarding AJ hand when you reraised on the flop OOP aren't you scared of better hands? Usually with this line he can play perfectly and fold worst hands and get it in 44 66 pair + fd and fold worst Jx hands. Isn't this becomes the spot when we fold out all worse and are called just with better hands?
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