$25/$50 PLO: HU, 6M, FR all at the Same Time!
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Hey Phil,
At around minute 37 bluffmast22 check raised with Ad5dJ8 vs your Jd4d82 on the QdTd6 flop. On the off suit 8 turn, do you think he was going for the check jam? Do you like his check on the turn or do you think betting is better? Or is his decision on the turn more player dependent?
Thanks!
Hey Phil :)
I think he was going to react to my betsize (but never fold). I think x/r would be a good play there against most sizes, but I do think people play very differently in my spot there so a strong read (including a betsizing read) could make a big difference.
Great vid as always!
10:00 :kk93ss openlimp: if we have a both open and limping range out of the SB, its seems KK93ss seem to fit in a limp-calling range quite well?
mediocre KK do very bad vs a 3bOOP and we have some deceptivness by limping our mediocre Kings would be my thinking?
Do i undervalue these KK, and maybe my thoughprocess is correct but these Kings are simple to strong? A hand like KK72ss, or KK67r would be better limp-calls?
Personally, I'd open raise KK93ss. I think your thinking makes sense with KK72r, but single suited KKxx is just too strong in my opinion.
I was also curious about this. I checked a 2k preflop solution and it has SB limping KK 32% of the time and then limp/calling 64%, which seems to mainly consist of rainbow KK and the worse single suited KK (which KK93 qualifies for).
FWIW: Overall the solution has us limping 20% of range in SB unopened and raising 30%.
hi phil , I guess this is the first time I have a prob with your vids. maby its my sight that are getting worse, maby its just the mix of numbers of players that gets me, but this 4 tabling vid is confusing me. I cant follow the action from table to table, I dont have time to think about the plays, I get no feel for the situation and opponents, its just to much and to fast at a time. Even if I put the vid on pause all the time to think about the spots, its to confusing to follow each hand, cause you go back and forth all the time, and I loose the flow of the hands. Also the betsizes and potsize are hard to read, its just too small for my eyes,
sorry
Sorry, skrapperas! I do have some more videos in this series, but I'll keep this feedback in mind for future videos. Thanks for sharing it.
Phil Galfond Top left, 10 minutes. You state KQ with the King of diamonds is too strong to turn into a bluff here. Not sure if I agree, as you stated his value range on the turn with that sizing mostly consists of weak two pairs and over pairs. There is also very little in the way of draws on the turn and I think we can expect villain to continue most blocker based bluffs on this river.
I don't think we win at showdown vrs a strong villain checking river so to me seems like K diamonds and the Q make this a decent bluff candidate. If we aren't turning this hand into a bluff here what hands are you preferring to turn into a bluff on this river that arrive here with this line?
I think it's important to keep his turn bet-sizing in mind. We have to continue on the turn with all of our open enders, our 763x+d hands, etc. So we do have a lot of weaker hands to pull from.
The Q blocks him from having QQ or Q9, but I think there's some chance he'd continue block-betting those on the river. It does lose to AQ and overpairs, but I think I would just draw a line in the sand around the 9 (under the assumption that he's mostly 'value' betting Qx+ on the turn and bluffing unpaired hands that might have connected with the 9) and just bluff hands that lose to 9x and never bluff anything that beats it.
The Kd is not insignificant, but it's not as if a lot of money has gone into the pot. Many of his Kdd hands bet flop, bet larger on turn, or continue betting river after block betting turn. While he should take this line with some K hi flushes (to x/r), I generally see people get more greedy with it up to this point, so I'm not sure how effective it is as a blocker beyond blocking his potential blockers.
I think the key difference in our thinking on this spot comes down to the following generalization I'll make: When a lot of money goes into the pot, bluffing with blockers is extremely important. When not much money has gone in (especially post-flop), hand strength (or lack thereof) is more important when deciding what to bluff with.
I think us holding the Kd in this scenario (as you said not much going into the pot/overall passive line) is more significant of a blocker in the sense that it weights him towards more made hands rather than us using it to represented the "nuts" in a bluff. A number of his "see what happens semi-bluffs" on the turn for that sizing can/should have a high diamond. I guess to me this river spot comes down to when he checks oop how often are we really ahead (against a good player I don't think very often) and what is the relative strength of our exact combo in our range and its EV as a check vrs the EV of bluffing.
When we bluff here it's safe to assume OP is folding the vast majority of hands that beat us here, would need some random Ad that they are only now deciding to turn into a check raise bluff, so we are losing an extremely small % of "our share" of the pot when bluffing, but I think we can get a significant % of better hands to fold that villain is likely to show up with given the sizing on the turn and the river check. Of course the EV here really just depends on how often villain is defending vrs whatever sizing we choose to go with....
Thanks for the in depth review Phil, really helps improve my game!
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