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Key Concepts: After the Flop Raise

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Peter Clarke

POSTED Aug 27, 2020

Your favorite series featuring plenty of goofy mascots returns with Peter Clarke aka Carroters exploring the concept of playing turns and rivers after a flop check raise. Range construction, player pool tendencies, and sizing are all on the table in this 6th installment.

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Williemarto 4 years, 8 months ago

A' yer key concept videos hae bin stoatin. Gey weel dane!

Peter Clarke 4 years, 7 months ago

Right, a few pointers fur ye.
1. We don't say 'dane' in this context. 'Dane' means 'doing'. EG. 'Whit ye hink yer dane.' You wouldn't say 'well doing'
2. 'Weel' is not a thing, not every single word has to be changed as technically we still speak English.
3. 'Gey' is not a thing. If you mean 'Gee' then only English people say that stupid word

deltac 4 years, 7 months ago

Very interesting video. I've definitely been feeling lost on a lot of turns after raising flop, tending towards giving up way too many hands and betting way too small.

I was very surprised to see that 98s is a bet (and a large bet at that) on the 8s turn card. You did a great job of explaining why that bet does indeed make sense. Getting hands like TT-KK to fold is huge for us on that turn. Great video.

Peter Clarke 4 years, 7 months ago

yeah I'm often guilty of putting showdown value hands into checking boxes too. Once we realise how much ranges have filtered and strengthened we can see how good a bluff slash denial bet this hand makes.

5ginsilentdarkness 4 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for the great video but I think you made an error at around 8:30 when you say that villain's MDF is around 50%. We made a 1/2 pot c/r so his MDF should be about 66%? That changes the analysis quite a bit, no?

Thanks

Peter Clarke 4 years, 7 months ago

We risk 1 to win 1. The bet part of the raise is 3 units into 5 units but we are still trying to win 4 units by investing 4 units. MDF is 50%. If i bet half pot instead of raised half pot then I risk 1 to win 2 and MDF would be 66.66%.

JoeAdams1 4 years, 7 months ago

I find it interesting that on a75 we are pure folding KQs on the flop Vs c/r and calling 33 that feels very counter intuitive but it makes sense because KQ blocks the Q6, K4,Q4 that villain is checkraising

burgchess550 4 years, 7 months ago

Thanks Peter! Love the content and PPT presentations. I think that this style, as opposed to database review, is a lot more helpful and accessible for people like me who are new and need a place to start before we can even BEGIN to diagnose our issues.

radtupperware 4 years, 5 months ago

@38 minutes, my figuring of the J6 combo divide is that J6cc blocks mostly hands that bet and then continue to raise (like J8, J9, JT, J7), while J6hh/dd/ss block hands that bet and then fold to raise (QJ, KJ).

Crownless 3 years, 9 months ago

If we let solver decide between 30% 75% and 120% bet On the Turn, he only uses 75% on A75r2 after raising. And bets like 50% of the time.
I have slightly different preflop ranges, but it shouldn't matter as much.
13:45 in the video.
What do you think about that?

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