$1/$2 PLO: HHs to Learn From
Posted by Paul Toda
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generally like the format.
maybe sticking to specific spot/scenario (leading in SRP or multy-way stabs IP, etc.) would be better
great format, nice logik... regarding the hand in 25 min... : when villain pays to hit a draw, and hits it , I think most players in the 200 pool will be a little stubborn and just sigh call. If they have a club, it will mostly be a significant one, being a part of the high straight draw.. to begin with, I think villain on river, will restrain from betting into you, since its obvious to both of you, that a lot of draws got there, and villain will have a hard time to get called, and often faces a very nasty race. Villain contemplates this, and choose to check and call it of with a club, or if they unblock top pairs. / If you play versus a very competent opponent, you might want to turn you low straight 89 into a bluff, thus leaving villain with more two pair that he should autofold. ?
Thank you for your feedback, I'm happy you liked the video.
I think you are right, they will call straights with a high club but my feeling in these spots is that players will lead more value than GTO (not less like you suggested), but it's debatable for sure.
I still think most of their straights will have to fold to the river bet because most of them won't have the high blocker, if we have the Kc they will call the Ac and the Jc, maybe sometimes the 9c will call too.
I think I would check back 89, unblocking pairs is great because I beat them so it's more probable that I win at showdown.
good point, thanks
Good format. You got through a good amount of hands with solid analysis.
First hand with aa with the spr of less than 1 should we be looking to commit most of the time unless the board is very dynamic like 3 straight or 3 flush?
Kk turned into a bluff...I agree he has a lot if straights as well as some flushes. But he also has some worse sets and 2pr as you say and these spots to me arw always borderline. I think since he capped his rng to bad flushes at best I like the bluff.
With the SPR less than 1 our range is probably betting 80%+ of the time and AA even more.
Paul,
I enjoy your videos and always learn something from watching them.
In regard to the KK88 hand with a suited king, why are we just calling on the button? Shouldn't we 3-Bet that hand? With a double paired hand, we're going hit a set about 25% of the time and It seems like it would play much better heads up, if we could get it that way.
Do you fold if you get raised on the turn? In regard to the river bet, I don't like it. A number of straights complete and you're not blocking 9-J or A-J. or any club flush. You only beat air, one or two pair hands, lower sets and a missed diamond flush draw. There are just so many more hands that beat you, it seems like you'd want to get to a free showdown.
While I don't play 1/2, at .15 / .30 or .25 /.50, unless we're against a rock or TAG, there are a lot of loose and LAG players who will call a pot sized river bet with some straights and any size flush.
Hey, I'm happy you like my videos!
In general, we are 3betting hands that are double suited or have an Ace, KK in general, likes to call because if we face a 4bet we have to fold. You can start 3betting them vs some opponents, but this player was a regular, so we don't deviate too much from standard ranges.
I don't fold the turn with the two flush draws on the board and blocking 88, he can have a combo draw that gets the flush draw and x/raises.
On the river most of his hands will be straights and flushes, flushes will call of course but I think most of the straight will fold and he will have more straights than flushes.
Of course, if you play versus someone that plays bad or if he likes to call a lot on the river you can check, I'm not saying this play will print money, but I think the Ev of betting will be higher than the EV of checking, we will not win that much at showdown considering how the hand played out until the river.
KK88 hand - Would be interesting to see how monker suggests playing the hand post flop, specifically bet sizing.
On the flop unblocking diamonds and QJ9, bigger sizing than 2/3rd pot?
On turn and river, any sizing besides pot?
Hey, unfortunately, I can't make an SRP sim 3 way with my PC, maybe if I rent a server in the future I can make a detailed strategy about this hand.
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Raising with 2nd NFlush is not intuitive there. The first instinct to go for is call on river. Because in general vs recreational population it is hard to get value from worse flushes there unless he CANNOT fold his hand away (if we have solid read yes, we are exploiting him) .
We block K and J flushes, so we are simply targeting a very narrow range to get value from , which is 8ss-Tss, Qss hands only ?
everything else worse folds.
Can we see how often he has Ass, vs 8ss-Qss, vs FH vs FH blockers(2p), vs Pair blocker + As Blocker ?
will this be relevant ?
"Because in general vs recreational population it is hard to get value from worse flushes there unless he CANNOT fold his hand away (if we have solid read yes, we are exploiting him) ."
I don't agree, I think vs a recreational we can get called, vs a regular it will be much harder.
We are targeting a narrow range because he represents a narrow range with his bet sizing. The only hand that beats us with this sizing will be the A high flush, but even that hand is very rare with the line he took in the hand. I don't expect him to have a full house or better and I don't expect to get reraised as a bluff.
Thanks for your comment Paul
How do you define a recreational here ?
The fields I play I will not say it is reggy, but has "Bad Regs" Players who play regularly (even though this isn't their main source), but do not study GTO, do not invest time in their game. Depend on heuristics , their experience in playing (and they have been playing for a long while). So definitely against so called Bad Reg they will not call worse.
Anyone calling worse i would usully mark as recreational who is NOT capable to fold his hand. Someone who is playing 1 off time, and not on daily basis
I agree, I wouldn't do it vs a Bad Reg, Weak Reg, or any type of Reg, I would just do it vs a straightforward (who is not capable of creative play and turning value into bluffs) recreational (fish who plays for fun, playing their hand vs aggression mostly face up).
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