Paul,
Entertaining video. At ~29:00 you open QJs and face a 3 bet from BTN. Solver says pure fold but at these stakes do you think that villain makes enough mistakes post that this hand could be a continue (at least at some frequency)? Realize hero is out of position in a game that has high rake so maybe it wouldn't make enough to justify continue, but curious how much you would deviate from pre flop solver ranges here. Also, at what depth do you think this hand continues if not at these stack depths given the player pool?
Thanks, I think we should probably just stick close to charts when defending vs 3bets OOP, especially in an unknown micro pool. Thats mostly because at micros people may not 3bet enough and its hard to play OOP in a 3bet pot so i would say stick to charts here. However we could flip that and say that if its hard to play OOP in a 3bet pot maybe IP we might want to increase our 3bets a little wider than charts.
I think once we start getting close to 130bb+ deep this hand would perform better
Paul,
At 41:00 you over bet 44 on 9c8c3d turn 2d and solver says this is pure check on turn. I assume this is because of the range check of villain on flop so they arrive uncapped on turn. My question is do you think players at these stakes range check this board in real world? If villain is betting flop with over pairs like a lot of recs might do, does this leave them with the portion of their range that you are targeting and less of the range that consists of the over pairs that call down? Curious if there is a tipping point where 44 plays like you thought it should if villain is betting at higher frequency than solver. Interested in your thoughts.
Yea so i probably should have went a little bit further into the use of a solver here. So when villain check calls preflop in theory they should still have a bunch of strong hands that reach the turn, however i think a lot of humans especially at low stakes will play stronger portions of their range as a bet on flop or even a check raise and so when we bet and then they just call we can then ''cap'' their range a lot more and put a lot more pressure on it on later streets.
Yea great thoughts, there will for sure be a tipping point and i should have went into that a little more in depth in the video as you can see the EV between bet/check is quite similar in a normal sim but if we make some small assumptions about a recs range id imagine the EV of betting here with 44 would be much higher than check.
Useful video. I used to raise more often BB vs SB openlimp, cause one guy in the past in Fixed Limit study group told me to. But in NLHE I think it is nice not to bloat the pot with marginal hand against a player who is not willing to fold often...
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Well explained Paul!
Thanks mx404
Paul,
Entertaining video. At ~29:00 you open QJs and face a 3 bet from BTN. Solver says pure fold but at these stakes do you think that villain makes enough mistakes post that this hand could be a continue (at least at some frequency)? Realize hero is out of position in a game that has high rake so maybe it wouldn't make enough to justify continue, but curious how much you would deviate from pre flop solver ranges here. Also, at what depth do you think this hand continues if not at these stack depths given the player pool?
Thanks Paul.
Thanks, I think we should probably just stick close to charts when defending vs 3bets OOP, especially in an unknown micro pool. Thats mostly because at micros people may not 3bet enough and its hard to play OOP in a 3bet pot so i would say stick to charts here. However we could flip that and say that if its hard to play OOP in a 3bet pot maybe IP we might want to increase our 3bets a little wider than charts.
I think once we start getting close to 130bb+ deep this hand would perform better
Paul,
At 41:00 you over bet 44 on 9c8c3d turn 2d and solver says this is pure check on turn. I assume this is because of the range check of villain on flop so they arrive uncapped on turn. My question is do you think players at these stakes range check this board in real world? If villain is betting flop with over pairs like a lot of recs might do, does this leave them with the portion of their range that you are targeting and less of the range that consists of the over pairs that call down? Curious if there is a tipping point where 44 plays like you thought it should if villain is betting at higher frequency than solver. Interested in your thoughts.
Thanks.
Yea so i probably should have went a little bit further into the use of a solver here. So when villain check calls preflop in theory they should still have a bunch of strong hands that reach the turn, however i think a lot of humans especially at low stakes will play stronger portions of their range as a bet on flop or even a check raise and so when we bet and then they just call we can then ''cap'' their range a lot more and put a lot more pressure on it on later streets.
Yea great thoughts, there will for sure be a tipping point and i should have went into that a little more in depth in the video as you can see the EV between bet/check is quite similar in a normal sim but if we make some small assumptions about a recs range id imagine the EV of betting here with 44 would be much higher than check.
Useful video. I used to raise more often BB vs SB openlimp, cause one guy in the past in Fixed Limit study group told me to. But in NLHE I think it is nice not to bloat the pot with marginal hand against a player who is not willing to fold often...
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