At 26:00 that check raise with 87ss is something I just have a lot of trouble implementing, how often is Pio check raising a combo like this? Quite rare? I know its vs 1/3 sizing in 3b pot, but it almost seems like less of a check raise then. Especially, as there is no real great card for us on the turn, even turning a straight draw, on a 9x turn could have us dead to KJo. It just seems like the hand is so limited, any further explanation appreciated.
Love your work/analysis on here Patrick, since day 1. You've helped my game a ton. Thanks mate!
I have Pio raising this combo at ~20% frequency. We are supposed to actually barrel the turn a decent clip though, although Pio is mixing folds with some KK/AA/QX so vs recreational player the giveup seems correct. We have clean outs and good unblockers to the folding range in theory whilst getting some better hands to fold/worse to call (FDs/Straight Draws).
As played our hand is a pure river call, although not much value to really be gained by looking through an optimal lense at this hand played vs suspect recreational
I have a question about the J7o hand at roughly 14 mins. On the river vs villains half pot size, you decided to make it circa 3x with quads. Could you elaborate on the reasoning behind this?
My initial instinct is that I'd only have a shove vs his bet just because I can't think of any other value I'd want to raise here other than quads. So therefore since we're basically quads or zip, I'd want to polarise myself as much as possible. Is that logic along the right lines, or am I thinking about this spot wrong?
Hey, I think in retro that big here is best - actually seems like a fairly obvious mistake to go this small. Like you say, my range is very polarised to quads+ so I would assume jam just has to be correct. Its kind of a weird spot where villains value betting range itself is QQ+/Jx that its possible a sizing
Why are your hot keys all bunched up like this? Eye sore!
How are you doing on 500z this year or still mostly playing reg tables 1k?
15:40 T#2 A little after you say there is a pattern on 500z of players telegraphing their exact hands with their bet sizes you come across this spot. Given it's not a typical sizing you would choose leads me to believe it's in the weaker part of villains range. Any merit to raising the flop here, so you are not XF 70% of turns vs a 2nd barrel?
Hot keys because I play the RIO recordings on a slightly different layout/table size to what I grind on usually so it makes them bunch up for some reason :D
I think that here it is possible its a weaker part of his range, but since I havent really seen this player before it could also just be he is a weaker/less studied opponent choosing 25% rangebet as his strategy. I think the telegraphing hand strength comes more specifically in the scenarios where it is obvious a player is choosing a smaller than optimal sizing in a spot where it is clear that larger bets have to occur. Wrt raising, since this hand is such a high ev call that I believe we wouldnt raise and instead we would choose more marginal holdings/holdings more likely to fold out dominating combos. I also think our hand will continue >30% of the time OTT (any club,T,Q,A,board pair pure continue, mixing on Kx/blanks)
500z results I have played this calendar year <5k hands so more or less irrelevant sample. I usually only play 500z for the purpose of recording RIO videos, >75% of my volume is at 1k/+nl reg tables
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At 26:00 that check raise with 87ss is something I just have a lot of trouble implementing, how often is Pio check raising a combo like this? Quite rare? I know its vs 1/3 sizing in 3b pot, but it almost seems like less of a check raise then. Especially, as there is no real great card for us on the turn, even turning a straight draw, on a 9x turn could have us dead to KJo. It just seems like the hand is so limited, any further explanation appreciated.
Love your work/analysis on here Patrick, since day 1. You've helped my game a ton. Thanks mate!
I have Pio raising this combo at ~20% frequency. We are supposed to actually barrel the turn a decent clip though, although Pio is mixing folds with some KK/AA/QX so vs recreational player the giveup seems correct. We have clean outs and good unblockers to the folding range in theory whilst getting some better hands to fold/worse to call (FDs/Straight Draws).
As played our hand is a pure river call, although not much value to really be gained by looking through an optimal lense at this hand played vs suspect recreational
Hi Patrick,
Great video once again.
I have a question about the J7o hand at roughly 14 mins. On the river vs villains half pot size, you decided to make it circa 3x with quads. Could you elaborate on the reasoning behind this?
My initial instinct is that I'd only have a shove vs his bet just because I can't think of any other value I'd want to raise here other than quads. So therefore since we're basically quads or zip, I'd want to polarise myself as much as possible. Is that logic along the right lines, or am I thinking about this spot wrong?
Hey, I think in retro that big here is best - actually seems like a fairly obvious mistake to go this small. Like you say, my range is very polarised to quads+ so I would assume jam just has to be correct. Its kind of a weird spot where villains value betting range itself is QQ+/Jx that its possible a sizing
Hi Patrick
whats your reasoning for not shoving quads and only the small raise?
see above :)
Why are your hot keys all bunched up like this? Eye sore!

How are you doing on 500z this year or still mostly playing reg tables 1k?
15:40 T#2 A little after you say there is a pattern on 500z of players telegraphing their exact hands with their bet sizes you come across this spot. Given it's not a typical sizing you would choose leads me to believe it's in the weaker part of villains range. Any merit to raising the flop here, so you are not XF 70% of turns vs a 2nd barrel?
Hot keys because I play the RIO recordings on a slightly different layout/table size to what I grind on usually so it makes them bunch up for some reason :D
I think that here it is possible its a weaker part of his range, but since I havent really seen this player before it could also just be he is a weaker/less studied opponent choosing 25% rangebet as his strategy. I think the telegraphing hand strength comes more specifically in the scenarios where it is obvious a player is choosing a smaller than optimal sizing in a spot where it is clear that larger bets have to occur. Wrt raising, since this hand is such a high ev call that I believe we wouldnt raise and instead we would choose more marginal holdings/holdings more likely to fold out dominating combos. I also think our hand will continue >30% of the time OTT (any club,T,Q,A,board pair pure continue, mixing on Kx/blanks)
500z results I have played this calendar year <5k hands so more or less irrelevant sample. I usually only play 500z for the purpose of recording RIO videos, >75% of my volume is at 1k/+nl reg tables
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