ProView: Owen Shiels reviews Beaverhausein in the Big $3.30 (part 3)
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thx for the vid. ;)
No problem :)
Hey, Owen!
Got a question about 3B w AJo vs loose opener @29min.
You said that you 3B such hands as AJo, ATs+ and 88+ for value, but how do you plan to proceed vs 4B with AJo, 88, 99, TT?
It seems a little bit optimistic to 5B/shove them with about 40bb and we have no 4B call option. So, in a way we turned these mid-value hands into a bluff and have to fold.
Is not it better to call w mid-pairs and 3B hands w blockers that we are comfortable to fold to a 4B, like ATo?
Notice that combination-wise there are 12 combos of ATo, which is equal to 12 combos of 88 and 99, so our 3B % will still remain the same, but the composition of out range will be different.
Also, how would you play AQo here? It is a sure 3B hand, but how do we proceed to 4B again? I wouldn't want to shove 40bb w such a hand, but I ll be uncomfortable folding it as well. Can we sometimes call a 4B IP with it? On the contrary to mid-pairs, Its playability seems to be a lot better postflop and sometimes we can catch a 4B bluff w blockers from our loose opponent, when we flop TP w better kicker.
Sorry we the longwindedness, but it is my best try so far to collect my thoughts together :)
Thanks!
I think you are only thinking about one side of the story here which is that sometimes we are going to get 4b. And with those hands I am probably going to lay them down to a 4b unless it is a v small one. Why I include stuff like AJo and 88 in my 3b range here is because he only folds to 3bs 17%. That doesn't mean he is 4 betting 83% of the time! It means he calls our 3b a huge amount of the time and in those pots not only will I have a positional advantage over him but I will have a super strong range vs his range.
If he isn't folding any suited A, any pair or stuff like QJo then the times he just calls we get to have him dominated very often and we are very rarely dominated. If you swap AJo for A3-A5s then the lower parts of our range are likely to be dominated more often and playing these hands will be pretty tricky on A high boards if he becomes sticky since he has plenty of better Ax in his calling range.
When you look at these spots try and look at the whole picture instead of just a small part of it. Thinking through all the scenarios is something which most people don't tend to do but it will really improve your game if you can.
34.58 u are 40bb deep and he is even deeper. Why arent u getting the right odds with pocket 44's
I don't mind a call here but its very close. We only have just under 39bbs so not quite the 20/1 I tend to go by for set mining. Also we have two perfect reshove stacks behind us which leans me more towards fold since a good % of the time one of those is gonna rip in over the top and we have to fold.
When you mean 20/1 basically what u mean is . You need about 20x the bet of the opponent to warrant the call. Since our stack is less than that . not getting the implied odds ? so it would be 14400 x 20 ?
which is 288000 and our stack is less than that
Yeah. The reason is that sure its about 8/1 you hit your set but you don't get paid off all that often when you do hit esp against someone with a loose opening range since when you hit your set often they have completely missed. So to make up for the fact that most of the time you are just folding the flop to a c bet we have to give ourselves a good price to make it profitable.
AH that makes sense, do u have a similar sort of thing when HU and playing low suited connects 76s 2,3s etc ?
I mean defending from the blinds is a totally different kettle of fish. Firstly usually you are closing the action so there is no risk of anyone coming over the top behind you. Also playing suited connectors is a bit different than playing a hand like 44 for the reason that you can continue on way more flops/turns than with 44. Look at a flop of 89A and we have either 44 or 76s and you can immediately see the difference. But you have to be aware of your opponents tendencies too. So if your opponent c bets flops and turn aggressively you are gonna have to be willing to make some aggressive moves with draws and mid pairs etc. Its kind of a whole other topic playing weaker hands HU in the blinds lol. So no I don't have a similar 'rule' for these situations because there are a ton of factors to take into consideration lol.
HU in a MTT defending from blinds etc
Yeh i get what u mean thanks :)
Hi find ur videos extremely helpful, have u made a video on how to build chip stacks during late registration for lower stakes before?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by late registration? Do you mean late stages?
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