nice video, you have really good skills to teach people and also know what you are talking about. Concepts people might think are really tough to apply you make easy examples about how to do it , keep the good work, hope to see u soon at higher stakes. gl

Thanks for another great vid Leszek.

In my games, I encounter some good LAG regs (32-41 pfr) who have 70% + cb on the turn. Most of them see a flopcall as weak/draw and try to take you of your hand by keep on betting, and most of the time they are right becausse it's hard to hit the flop hard. I found it very difficult to counter this aggression oop with my so so hand. Offcourse I can call them down but then I have to pay off a lot of money to see if my hand is good while they can hit allmost everything with those loose statts and have you crushed with a hidden hand.
My approche to them is calling them tight preflop but at the same time I feel exploited becausse I know their range is so wide and a lot of the hands I fold are doing very well against their range.
Do you have some strategie against those type of opponents or is it just the power of position and playing tight oop against them is best? (You can offcourse checkraise flop with some kind of a hand but I am not a fan of bloating the pot oop with marginal holdings against LAG's who will call frequently with toppair, middle pair with nutgutshot, and better and take over the betting on the turn when you check.)

Cheers.

Tom

Thank you for another great video! you are already one of my favourite pros on this site.

Another great video, Mr.Lechrumski ... yea I've been a big fan of your vids since they were released at "Strategy". Keep the great work please :)

@Whycheck

Hi Tom,

Of course it's easier to exploit weak passive players than aggressive ones, however there are still many things you can do.
The easiest adjustment is to call flop with a tighter range and exclude from your c/calling range some loose floats.

The next thing you need to know is his river cbet. Some players slow down on the river and have like 40% river cbet. You can still make some looser calls on the turn because usually you will manage get to the showdown.

Also pay attention to his valuebetting tendencies. If a player cbets a lot and bets a ton on the river, he needs to be valuebetting thinly. Otherwise he would be overbluffing a river.

The next point is that these type of players usually have completely merged betting range. This makes their checking range very weak. You can exploit that by bluffing with your weakest hands. You can also go for a checkraise if his delayed cbet IP is on the higher side like >45%. His weak range will not be able to stand check raises.

Furthermore you should definitely work on building balanced turn check raising range and check raise wider for value. Add some bluffs as well. The strength of your range should depend on the board texture and your opponent cbet/fold IP on the turn.

The last point is that you will need to do some work on your own as well. I definitely encourage you to work with programs like PokerJuice. This can help you to assees your opponent's range and build your range as well.

Cheers ;-)
Leszek

Hey Leszek,

Thank you for another extensive answer.
You're right about their merged cb-range. Their c/f statt is usually very high.
I haven't thougth about a turn c/r range against them. I have to admit I don't even have the turn c/r statt in my HUD... . But you're right if their cb on the turn is to high that this could be a very profitable play. I didn't thought of it before becausse I didn't want bloating pots with marginal hands. But the way those opponents play, I am forced to do it otherwise they have an easy exploite on me.

Normally I shy away from programms like Poker Juice but this motivates me to jump into that leak. (BTW. Could be a good vid how to build ranges with PJ).

I didn't consider to take his riverbet statt into the equation. I recently put it into my HUD becausse of your early vids and you're right that I should take notice of that one to in these situations.

I considered myself as smart but I think I have to reconsider that becausse I didn't come up with these answers myself while they were right in front of me.. . A well, I wasn't much of a HUD user before but I defenately see now how much I have missed not using it.

Thank you for helping me/us out. I am your nr1 fan ;)

Cheers!

Tom

10 out of 10! Seems so easy and also works! HM2 and you Leszek has been my best friends last week! Keep up the good work, you have already learned me a new way to approch PLO.

/ Nichlas

Hey Tom,

Yes, I am planning to make 1-2 PJ videos ;-)

When it comes to stats, I think the most important is understanding the correlations among few stats and how they work with each other. You will see many examples of that in my next video - part II of Fining the edge in stats ;-)

Cheers

very nice work ty

You are my first essential pro I have followed. Excellent video looking forward to the next!

this is a great video, i don't play plo at all and found it interesting. most of these concepts apply pretty strongly to holdem and a lot of holdem players with less strong fundamentals would probably benefit

Yeah I don't play PLO but these concepts apply to NLHE as well. As most concepts in poker they can be used in a variety of different games.

Great video! I have one concern tho. I'm assuming most people who have a tendency to bet flop and check back turn, are often over c-betting flop. This is very prevalent at lower stakes like 200pl (a lot of people over c-bet) but as you move up, people's c-bet frequency drops down as they start to protect themselves on turns more. So when high stakes players c-bet flop, their turn barrel % is higher as there is more of an equal ratio of value/bluffs then air. The OOP float becomes more marginal as they are more often barreling turn.

I understand this is a specific situation of when they check back turn, but this play is a part of a larger puzzle of how to play turns OOP. So i'm just making sure people don't watch this, and start floating light OOP.

@ creamr1ses
Sure, I agree with your words, this strategy will be the most useful at PLO50-200 which is more or less the target audience. I think PLO500 players are smart enough to use it in moderation.

Still, a lot of players have very high river fold after check back the turn which shows, how hard it is to have balanced check back range on the turn.

You could change the title to "don't check back and cap your range" :)

Great video! Been thinking about this concept myself; it's nice that you made all the work for me!

At 6.55 you talk about how your opponent has capped his range. Ben86 says "when my opponent is capped on the river I like to bet as much as possible". What's his thinking behind that from a gto perspective and why did you go for a more standard sizing.

Great vid btw one of the best essential ploers Rio has ever had

When our opponent's range is capped we should be using bigger sizings from a GTO perspective, because then we can include more bluffs in our range. If we pot we can have 33% bluffs and our oponent will be indifferent to calling or folding. If we bet 50% of the pot we can include only 25% of bluffs. That makes a huge difference because ratio of value:bluffs drops from 2:1 to 3:1. That's a theory which applies esp to higher stakes. But at PLO200 exploitation is almost always better than GTO because opponents are unbalanced and make many mistakes. That's why I tend to use lower sizings in these kind of spots and target specific opponents. Against some of tchem I will be overbluffing against others underbluffing. E.g. here if we bet pot, we will probably get 95%+ of folds, which is pretty bad with our value hand. Of course against very good competent players our sizing needs to be balanced. However against most of the player pool we should just make exploititive plays.

Thanks for explaining Leszek. This may be a stupid question but why is it better to include more bluffs ? I get that if you bet pot your opponent has to be right 33% of the time and if you bet half then they have to be right 25% of time. Is the idea behind including more bluffs and betting bigger that your opponent has to be right more often and you take the pot down more often ?

another great post, thanks.

Have to admit that most of those hands on the video, are mostly in my raising range. I have a rather large issue, with my check/call range, as it seems. Both in my metagame(dont enjoy calling oop) and tracker.

According to my tracker, I fold way too much on both flop and river, this video takes care of my flop fold, and you did mention something about an uneven turn-check as well(j240585 17:00min in)..which should help with river:)

Hi bro, ty for this video, great mind and lovely soul!) The question is about hand in 12 00 minute when we have one pair of J on the river. Is it hand much good to showdown with? Is the bluff bet gives us call of much good hands and fild of cards that are weaker than our hand ? sry for my English, im from Russia buy the may)

Hey, in this spot we have pretty weak Showdown value. Given our calling range on the flop this is one of the weakest hands in our range. All hands that we c/call should at least 2 pairs on the river, so we can turn that hand into a bluff. Also we can fold many better hands in out opponents range like AJ,KQ,86,85 or even J6 :-)