Preflop Theory
Posted by Sam Lang
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I loved the analysis of importance of versatility in 4 bet ranges and making a balanced range and importance of adjusting the play in accordance to situation ( tight weak players, position ) and is really great points that cant be stressed enough and this video is great to make us have these things always in mind and well incorporated as mind set.
Also is great advise not to tilt when stack off with few good hands and plays in a raw, but to be annoyed when we play bad. Im confortable at that point now , though start to play PLO made me quiet desparate at beginning. which i guess gives troubles to many.
Notes on time bank are awesome, and i have had same perception of time bank with weaker opponents, but except confronted with weak players note on balanced time bank is great to point out.
Also thinking in multiple direction of what our percieved range is and what our opponent thinks of it is important factor to contribute to our overoll general play.
Thank you very very much :)))
PS - i love videos of this kind as well as table analysis one
Haha was just about to post this 3 mins into the video :p
All that being said, diving into specific aspects of the game in a slideshow presentation is cool too. One thing I'd suggest for slideshows is that you keep the points on the slide short and basic. It's hard to try to read the entire slide and listen to what you're saying. Plus, you're reading off a lot of the slide info so some of the writing isn't needed. For example (IMO would be better):
Ways to Combat Aggressive 3Bettors:
-Tighten Up Opening Range
-4Bet Wider
-etc...
Thanks for the reply. I agree metagame is a very interesting topic, and I enjoy thinking about it a lot. I feel though that there is an incredible amount of parameters that goes into determining what actions to take, when to make a call/fold in a tight spot etc. is all so villain, gameflow, and multitudes of history dependent, plus a lot of close decisions can only be correctly made in the moment knowing the exact gameflow dynamics etc. that quantifying it in a video, and even in written form can be very difficult given that a lot of the decisions, for me at least, come down to the opponent and our history and is very intuition based for the most part. Given this, and also that the videos I make are mostly targeted at low stakes players, I think that focusing on how to play fundamentally sound and making good decisions based on logic, psychology and balance are more productive for the vast majority of people who will watch the videos. I try to incorporate it wherever possible when I have a lot of history versus the players I am facing, in particular the first few hand history reviews I made there is a fair amount of decisions that were based on metagame, it is somewhat hard to delve deeper when reviewing hands some time after playing the session. It is also worth noting that timing plays a good deal into the decision making process, but again is hard to quantify in terms of logic and is very intuition based. I hope this response gives a good frame of the sort of ideas that we should consider in metagame situations, and perhaps you could ask a different coach who is better at quantifying and explaining metagame situations to expand on this.
Good fundamental video for aspiring PLO players or people who want to reinforce fundamentals. But Sam, you gotta learn how to make better powerpoints...wall of text is not a good way to do it.
hehe cheers bud I agree, rest assured next one will be alot better =)
Hey Sam, nice primer vid, good job. Any particular resources outside of RunItOnce that you find particularly useful for PLO; sites, vid series, books, etc? Obv Galfond vids are the nuts but anything else that jumps to mind can't hurt.
Jeff Hwangs books are all excellent for getting the required basic PLO skills IMO - his bet sizings are little off for better games (always POT) but he explains a lot of concepts very well in all his books.
I'd pose the same question as above. And more theory videos would be great. Also, anonymous Bovada vids would be the nuts
Hi Sam,
Great video - thank you for making it. I would love to see more videos like this. General theory videos helps build the correct way of thinking and helps (me at least) get more from hand review videos as we understand what is going on better before looking at the correct situations to apply it and how to build on that theory in different spots in the review videos.
The video length for something like this is ideal as well - seemed very to the point and not rambling on which keeps it interesting.
Hey Sam..greetings from India!
New to the site and the coaches. I'm a 100 PLO player and after a few very strong months I feel my time would be better invested playing a limit higher.
My problem with 200 PLO is that it itself is very LAGgy, and I become really uncomfortable playing opponents that are more aggressive than I am, esp where I have scared money.
Does it always pay to be the most aggressive(solid is a given) player at the table?
Regards
everyone's different. when i was a young gun, I battled with aggression, and it made sense to me. things seemed to click. if you're uncomfortable with aggression, I'd start with trying to understand the theory of post flop play and thinking about how hands we 3bet connect with different boards. It might do well to move down lower to test out different temperamental styles, and take shots once you understand how 3bet ranges connect with possible flop, turn and river outcomes.
To answer your question, no, it pays to be the best player at the table!
Great content for the big picture theory...perfect for people learning the basics. Bad slides though...way too many words.
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hi sam really liked the video just wondering what points in the video as you explained them back then would be slighty different for todays plo game or are they just as valid today as back when you made the video. Thanks again.
having watched this back 5, almost 6 years on, I'd say it's a primitive excursion into some very basic preflop theories, and as with any theory videos, versatile application conquers negative misapplication.
Hope that answers your question!
So i have just listed to this vid for 2 min. Coming here to learn about the theory of pre flop ranges. The first thing I am told is that there is no set rule and I should make good decisisions.
This is not helpful.
I come here paying $100 per month not for someone to make me feel better but to actually learn something.
Will listen to the rest, but wanted to share initial feedback
This is a six year old primer video for what at the time was a 10$ subscription for essential content, from a 19 year old kid who behind his voice was very nervous and conscious about putting himself out there. Having said that, I agree with everything you wrote.
What did you think of the video?
Horrible video for me. U say you like to 4 bet a lot? What does that mean?
So far it is just ramblings and 0 content. I don't need to pay for this site to learn that position is important in PLO. Need a bit more specifics.
It is rambling. I would re-title this deep ante theory, and make it a lot different if I were making it today. I think looking back I gave away a lot about my own style without looking at it from the perspective of a student. It's worth baring in mind that PLO was at a much primitive stage than it is today. Didn't have all the software y'all have nowadays with ranges and PLO calculators that I see the hungry young guns be using nowadays.
When I say I 4bet a lot, it means I would put pressure and show no fear to people who 3bet other than AA. at the time they didn't know what to do.
Hope that helps, Sam
Srsl wtf. Just going to hope that other videos on here are better
If this is the first one you got drawn to I appreciate the criticism and hope you found better content elsewhere
I'm actually laughing out loud reading these comments. I'm confused as to why all the negativity. As I was listening to this video, all I could think was "wow, this RIO subscription really was worth it. Who is this Sam Lang guy? I definitely need to look for more videos from him." Then upon finishing I scroll down to read these comments and find out he was only 19 year of age at this time?! wtf... maybe people are just disappointed if you're not able to just totally hold their hand and make sure they get it. I enjoyed the video tremendously and can't wait to put these tips into practice.
hey dude! thanks for the nice comments. holla at me and let me know how it goes! I'm 27 now and a little rusty, but been grinding unibet and party a bit, up 200 in this last week. If your interested, perhaps we could make a group? I've been out of the game for so long, I could really do with study partner(s), and some comraderie to up my game!
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