Low Stakes PLO Hand Review (2 of 3)
Posted by Sam Lang
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first of all thank you for sharing your thoughts in this hand review - some really interesting approaches & ideas! :)
...however, i'm having trouble to understand your shove on the flop with that 97TKds hand at 9:00!
I agree completely with checking the flop.
And I might be wrong but in my opinion it's better to continue the hand with a call instead of shoving it?!
Like you said, jointy33 can easily have some TJQ-combos, FDs...
I think you are casually risking your entire stake in this spot.
You have absolutely no re-draws and allowing your opponent to freeroll you, right?!
Wouldn't it be a better way to just call here and on the turn you can still decide whether to push or not,
depending on what kind of card comes up...
I mean what kind of hand will be calling here on the flop when you are reraising?
Only strong draws or made hands (with redraws)?!
Is my way of thinking to conservative?
Just some thoughts that popped in my mind while I was watching that hand...
The main problem I see for c/c the flop is that we have very little of a c/c range here. We tend to have high cards a lot, and I think are going to be c/shoving if we have a fd and c/folding if not a fair ammount. due to this, I don't really think we should be incorporating a c/cing range in this spot. I don't expect him to fold much of his range after flatting, so just happy to get the rest of the money in now. I don't think he is folding two pair+ or any draw combo, so the only hand I think he may fold would be 9tj*, and even then Im more than happy to take it down now, get him off his equity, and not risk making any mistakes on the turn.
Another big reason I think c/ring is also the best play in a vacuum, not just range considerations, is that we are still going to have a lot of money on the turn, and being OOP with money behind is never fun. The pot is big enough that we are happy just taking it down at this point, and with regards to being freerolled, I am not worried about this at all as the stacks are not deep enough to be making a huge mistake, and the way he played the hand, and given we have a 7 and a t, I think he has way more flush/straight draw comboes than monster straight+redraw.
If stacks were a bit deeper, where I could not c/r get it in OTF, I would consider c/c and c/r safe turn cards.
but let's think about a different scenario where you made (top-)set -again without any redraws-
on this flop! how do you continue the hand?
Chances are your hand is probably crushed by one of them - so we're left with 7 outs which means we're getting pretty much the right odds for a call... On the other hand - like you already said - we're going to have a lot of money left on the turn and have to act OOP with a good chance to make a bad decision!
Should we consider to c/f the flop?
Was wondering whats your thoughts behind 4betting light against your opponents who 3bet light when you know they are calling your 4bet and stacking off on the flop when they hit a draw/pair...
And also 5betting light against light 4bettors as well...
Do you think its more profitable to call a 3/4bet OR actually go ahead and take the initiative of 4betting/5betting your rundowns, AK10J ds, Q978 ds type stuff (I know you 4bet/5bet those stuff =])
And do you think its always best to 4bet fold "good kings"?
Interesting to hear your thought process behind someone that I have played a decent amount of hands against when I just started to play PLO. Would also be nice if you can go over some hands that we have played against haha.
Thanks,
Mason
I tend to keep my 5bing range a mixture of value and then super playable/pretty hands for deceptibility/balance
Depends if we're IP or OOP and on our opponents 3bing range/tendencies and how they play vs a 4b, 5bing range etc. if they may 3b fold kk, or call lots of 4bs and fold flops/misinterprate our range, I think 4bing wide is really good. If however they 5b wider for value and make correct adjustments, then calling IP is gonna be more profitable. It's all about adjusting and exploiting your opponents range. Figure out what they're doing with what cards and make the correct adjustments that best exploit this.
I 4b fold kk a lot OOP until they start 5bing wider than aa**. Think it plays a lot better this way, we define our opponents range more whilst making the hand easier to play where we have the initiative with a lower SPR than if we called the preflop 3b, where we would be chk/guessing a lot of the time and have poor visibility
Shoot me some interesting hands we've played together and I'll be sure to go over them in a future video :P I need to trawl through my database at some point to find some hands as I have not been playing a lot recently due to university, so if you wanted to make my life easier and find some cool hands that'd be appreciated!
I was thining about the hand at 30ish something where you had kk. I was surprised by some of the hands you would suggest that he cr that deep on the blankes of blankest card. What range of hand do you think he cr on the turn being that deep, vs like 100bb. I dont play deep that often so would be interested in hearing you thougts on this, i might call in play but honestlly i think thats a snapfold when i play ok.
I guess against nitty opponents you can comfortably check call the turn and fold river at certain bet sizes comfortably too.
So at the comment above, you advocate taking the cc turn&river line with low flushes and bet like Qhi+ flushes twice (to balance K blocker bluffs)?
I suppose this is relevant due to you guys being over 800bbs deep effective... I guess under 300-350 effective I wouldn't mind getting it in if theres 50bbs in the pot already...
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