OFC Quiz: Pairs vs Live Kickers
Posted by Jen Shahade
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In the final example, I would have thought putting the live 3 in back, particularly with the dead cards among those already set in back was the move. Can you explain in more detail why putting the 3 in the middle is better? Is it entirely due to the foul risk in the middle? Thanks much.
Good Q: There are a few factors here, and combined together they slightly nudge the locking up the middle route. My calcs below are not super precise but give a good sense of how I arrive to similar results as the SIM by hand or intuition.
Sixes and fours (seems I forgot to mention fours) are both totally live ranks. As I mention early in the vid, a totally live rank is very valuable when trying to hit a pair so that's already a sign we may wanna consider leaving the back open. Probably changes things from avg of 17% up to 20% so not huge but still a factor when talking ~12 point swing. And now we're super close to the odds of hitting the three (21.5%)....
Fouling the middle: So when we hit one of our five outs (45%), how many of these combos include two of the six cards (3 2, 2 A, 1 5) that will cause us to foul? This should 6 choose 2/24 choose 2 (276) x .045 (since it doesn't matter if we hit one of those combos when we don't hit our card, right?). So that's around 2.5%. Once we've done this calc (or heuristically, just notice that it's a possibility), it's enough to nudge us in favor of locking up the middle.
One more thing though:
Great video, probably the best I've watched on Pinapple in terms of instructiveness (if that's a word). The way Jen's approaching the problems by starting at the extremes and then changing variables to get closer to the middle (where the decision isn't as clear) is a super smart way to attack problems.
Thanks a lot, I've been thinking about this a lot lately and trying to incorporate the same thing to my NLHE study practice. Maybe I'll make a similar video on simul draws and FL (arguably even more important topic as I think easier to make an obvious looking move that's a mistake) though I'll have to adjust constantly for OFC Solution deflated value.
Hey Jen,
best place to learn the basics for this game?
Important to play a ton of hands vs. a friend or even AI (though the ABC AI is much better). Nikolai's has some good articles over at Pokernews. I think my liveplay vids are pretty simple. Also the one on tactics I just made. The heavy math theory ones may be more interesting once you've played a bunch. GL!
Ty Jen!! will check out...
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