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6 Tables of $25/$50 6-Max PLO (part 3)

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Ola Amundsgård

POSTED Oct 23, 2013

Oddsen continues his review of regular and cap 6-max PLO, looking to maintain edges in a games featuring a tough player pool.

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jdstl 11 years, 5 months ago

~2:30 Table 6

You open AQ96 btn, and a fish SB calls.  You cbet 200-255 on 887r.

I assume your bet/folding this hand on the flop.  If that's the case, do you worry about being exploited by x/r bluffs with a hand like yours that has a significant amount of equity(vs their x/r range it probably doesn't have much but vs their x/f range it's doing pretty well)?  I guess given you have no pair and can't continue vs a bet on a ton of turn cards, stealing equity from his flop x/f range outweighs realizing your own w/ a hand like this. It's a pretty common flop spot though so I'm curious to hear your thoughts. 

Ola Amundsgård 11 years, 5 months ago

Hi jd,

You make some good really good points.
And I do agree with you to some extent, and I think checking behind a good chunk of {69xx,T9xx...} combos
is good especially vs a good agressive x/r range with a lot of barrels.

However there are also merits for cbetting given we are playing against the SB, which should have a somewhat definable hands such as (alot of {QQ**,KK**,JJ**, ABB*...}), and I do think our hand vs that range is good to have in our cbetting range because of barreling gets more profitable semibluff equity...) VS. choosing a more polarizing range such as({air,8xxx+}. This is especially true versus more "straightforward" villains with definable ranges which should c/c a ton in this spot, so I think we will be able to realize vs. thoose types of players as often as checking does. (Since we cant handle even 1 street on some turns.)

I do also think in this spot im the recreational villain in this hand will not get out of line, and I shouldn't be to afraid of b/f equity without realizing such as this hand. Hope this helped clearify my thought process.

jdstl 11 years, 5 months ago

~24:00 Table 2

You raise btn A5d6d3 and check behind Qs9c4d.  This seems like an OK spot to c-bet vs a presumably wide preflop range.  We gain a lot by stealing equity from his folding range, and we have a decent amount of backdoors, namely diamonds, 2,3,5,6,7, as well as an A (19/45) This seems like a fine hand to put in our flop bluffing range, planning to barrel when we pick up equity and shut down when we brick.  Also we're not folding much equity when x/r'ed.  Thoughts?

Ola Amundsgård 11 years, 5 months ago

You are right, the wider our villains preflop defending range (and the wider the 3betting range is) then we can adjust our strategy by uppering our cbetting frequencies. As my default I just think A5d3d6 is just to weak/little equity to cbet (we will probably be cbetting close to our range on this board discarding some "pot-controlling hands").

I do also think Allahs defending range is way tighter than alot of players (think he is defending/flat calling 25-30% preflop in this spot)
I think the Q94r board is ok for cbetting as you mentioned VS. very wides ranges (60%+), and I could be convinced a5d6d3 is a profitable CBet in this spot vs tighter ranges. But I just think it connects a bit to good with villains range to be starting to cbet total air / without blockers / ton of backdoor equity, if we include this hand in our CBetting range we are probably cbetting close to our range and is open to getting exploited badly and or bleed vs peels



stmarys 11 years, 5 months ago

I know this is a very in depth subject and you discuss it very often in all of your videos, but could you provide a brief synopsis of your mixed bet strategy and perhaps provide an example? I understand you're potting the middle of your range while utilizing a smaller sizing with the bottom/top of your range, but I'm having difficulty understanding your though process when you select the middling portion of your range. Thanks in advance

Ola Amundsgård 11 years, 5 months ago

Hi stmarys.

You are correct stmarys, its a very deep subject, depending how deep you want to dig.

To explain it short and easy: the reasoning for using a mixed bet size strategy especially with low stp.
On alot of boards you want to be able to bet-fold (typically our weakest part of our range), you want to have a lower sizing to take the pot down without committing for a cheap price. Now in order to do that you need to include some value hands, and choosing the top of our range here is good, since villain will not have equity enough to call the bet. Thats the reasoning behind having a split strategy. Good boards for this is dry and/or locked down boards (percieved equity vs "nuts" is very low.)

The reason why I want to have a bigger sizing/pot sizing with the middeling part of my range is that a) its +EV to just pot get it in , b) If we choose a lower sizing with this part of our range we will be giving our opponent more options in form of flatting profitable given the price even with more hands, hence decreasing or EV vs good players, c) maximizing fold equity 

Hope this helped clearyifing the subject.


Don Q 11 years, 5 months ago

 13 min table 5

Why does the J95Acc turn card hit us harder than the button?

 We overcall UTG min open in SB, lead flop into 2 people with KQJ7, button calls.

Ola Amundsgård 11 years, 5 months ago

Hello 4FT!

I missread the situation while making commentary, im sorry about that. (Thought we 3bet from the SB)

In the video I thought we was the 3bettor from the SB hence we having a much stronger range than the villain (BUTTON) (and we could remove alot of AA** combos, given villain didnt 4bet pre). Thats why I said that the Ac turn would hit our range more than villains.

But as far as what happened you are right, specificly Acc doesnt hit our range harder than his given that we just flat called preflop. However a) we have a stronger preflop range than the button (SB), b) our leading range should consist more of made hands than villains flatting range hence more equity vs. range on the board J95Acc, so in that way you could say that range vs. range our range equity should > villains equity wise.


Ola Amundsgård 11 years, 5 months ago

Hello!

Thanks for the questions guys,
I will chime in and answer all qeustions by this weekend,
I have a tons of in real life stuff to do atm.

So hold on tight!

JNandez87 11 years, 5 months ago

18:00

Would you also 3bet here as a default with 100bb+? What is your default with KK74:ss if CO opens and you are 100bb+ deep (opponent has a wider 4bet range than AAxx)?


Ola Amundsgård 11 years, 5 months ago

Hey jnandez!

No, my default 100bb would be to flatcall in both scenarios you described. 
There are however some extreme cases where I might consider 3betting KK74:ss. 100bb





Pitje 11 years, 5 months ago

16:00 on table 2 vs imper1um. After he shows his AAxx you say it would be better to pot/call at first but it seems like your talking about pre and then say you would like to see yourself pot/fold there because he shouldn't have a pot/fold range there. I would never consider bet/folding any size here with AAxx especially not pot/folding.

Did you misspoke there or am I missing something if so could please elaborate on this further :).

Ola Amundsgård 11 years, 5 months ago

Yo Pitje!

Im sorry for my misleading/bad formulation. I ment its better to pot call in his shoes there with AA** in a vacum on that board, rather than bet $200 into $300 (Given his stacksizes) (Id rather consider using stronger hands for a $200 bet. (Because I know get the opportunity to peel lighter than I would versus a pot sized bet => I could potentially gain more EV than versus a pot sized bet (this is especially true VS. better players)).

I was (obivously) not advicing him to pot-fold the flop (thats really bad) in the given spot, but rather pot-call, hope this helped clearify what I ment.

nonpareil 11 years, 5 months ago

Recently signed up here, and am a big fan of all your PLO videos so far.  I really enjoy hearing you reason through the hands, put people on ranges, and decide whether or not to attack certain textures.  You've given me a lot to think about in my own game.  Thanks for taking the time to share your thought process with us!

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