Hi David,

Thanks for the response, I will definitly take your reivews into consideration, I currently have "two slots" open for member suggestions in my upcoming videos this year.

Hello,

I don't think im better than the average Joe with PPT to be honest, I do think there are many other coaches here at Run It once which is way better than me with PPT syntaxes/breaking down ranges in PPT, however I can probably do some more proofs in PPT to backup some of my analysis ingame.

Hi,

I don't think I want to get murdered on tape :)

Hey Zachary,

KKT5ds: I agree, and I do think its really close, I havent done PPT on this, and if Channing's range only consists of AA** this is a fold. 

Here is some PPT just to get a feel of how im doing vs. his percieved range in my eyes.


KcKhTc5h                       42,9045%
39,9185%
5,9720%
239511
35832

 AA**,AQQ*,AKQ*,KK**
57,0955%
54,1095%
5,9720%
324657
35832



As you see we got ~43% hence some dead money and we still are probably around breakeven. So folding might be slightly more +EV than getting it in. However im not a big fan of 3b folding alot of hands for various reasons (dont like the idea of getting exploited). 

AKJ8cc: 
I actually think this is pretty standard vs. Gump CO vs BTN. he is doing so much 5betting with marginal holdings, that I can't just 4b-fold. However I totally agree that vs certain opponents my play is spew.

AKT7:
I agree with you on this one actually, I should expect Gump to have a really tight range here (given i 3b a shortstack), but having that said, Ive seen Gump do so much crazy stuff pre that im not happy folding AKT7cc vs a cold 4bet, this might however be one of those situations I should consider folding.

My assumptions might be a bit good hearted indeed, thanks for reality checking me.

the 89T3ds @ AK766ssss: I was dissapointed in that fact I thought I had a profitable vacum bet vs
puncto. (He would have a hard time bluffcatching with a lot offlushes + I should be able to fold out his counterfitted two pairs, as far as game theory goes I think there is actually many better hands to put into my 3barreling bluffing range {K***,7***,A***(weak)} (with no spades lower than Ts in our hand) Since our goal should be aiming to fold mid to low flushes and counterfitted two pair combinations => having Kx,Ax,7x and no spades lower than Ts would maximize our fold equity since it should give villain more of those combinations.

One side note: As you mentioned if we wanna be having a 3barreling bluffing range on the river here, we should be 3barreling some AA**,KK** (I would advice choosing AA** and KK** with a spade for 3barreling, since it reduced the likelyhood of villain having flushes by some %) combos and be valuebetting the nutflush on the river. If those conditions are true I think we can have a bluffing range here, but as mentioned I dont actually in heinseight like having T893hhdd for the cardremoval/frequencies. (In dont think this is superimportant vs recreationals as in this hand, since I think he would be folding to much (take the vakum EV and **** balance), I might be wrong tho.))

Hope this helped to clearify my though process, thanks for some good/though questions.

Hey goldy,

Thanks,

My reasoning for x/r T955cc on j32cc, was that I felt I couldnt x/c profitable (since our villain was cbetting 85% and double barreling 70% of turns) I will have a hard time on alot of turns vs. him by x/c this hand. So I therefore decided to put it into my x/r range. His high cbet% should gain me a lot of immidate FE (since he would be cbetting alot of air.) 

When you decide to x/r alot of marginal/weak holdings your x/r range will obviously become pretty weak, so I  including as many J3**,J2** and and nutfd draws as you can is good to strenghten my x/r range. However the most vakum+EV line would be to be x/c flop and x/r turn with our strong value vs this opponent for vacum since he is double barreling so much with marginal holdings. So its kinda of a give and take situation, I would probably advice to start out x/r alot of marginal hands and see how villain reacts, just when villain starts adjusting you should stop x/c marginal and x/r more strong value, however the stronger our villain is the more balanced and less exploitive your x/r range should be to not be burning money vs GTO.

Hope this clearified your question.

I'd like to see 5/10 6max against unknowns. Doesn't have to be live. 10/20 and 25/50 is great because you get to see super tough opponents and need to be very balanced. At the same time since the player pool is small you have very detailed reads and make plays based off of them which are hard to learn from when most of us play unknowns.

variety spice of life, etc

Hello Vladimir,Thanks, I would probably have to talk to my boss :) about making mid stakes videos as I was mainly hired for making 10/20+. But if thats what you want Im sure we can figure something out.

Yes atleast i 3barrel some of those combinations, look some posts above for my answer to Zachary.

You are spot on right with every assumptions, however there is one thing you have left out, which is super important: You wanna be cbetting alot on AK* (monotone) boards with your air/missed hands, now in order to do that you have to include alot of them topsets. Else your cbetting range becomes very polarized (flushes and air) and hence very unbalanced.

When Oddsen says based on combinatorics he is probably folding too much if he folds there he is estimating what SD strength hands he has overall with that line and where J9xx fits in that range. To determine that do the following:

First, evaluate how many better hands Oddsen can have at river taking this line. He likely bets most 2pr on flop. Likewise QQ, KK, AA are betting both becasue they beat all Jxxx but also because there are less favorable turns for overpairs than TP+kickers. He is also betting JXXX+ good draw like JQ9, JQK. Given all that, we can see that the only better hands than J9 that we arrive to this river are flopped naked AJ, KJ, QJ along with hands containing a deuce. Those hands would be naked open enders that chose to check flop like KQ2x,Q92x or T2xx and 62xx hands that were giving up until turning 2pair. 

Now you should consider all the hands worse than J9 that we arrive to river given we did call turn. Surprisingly given the lack of a FD present and the deuce only presents an inside low wrap there arent that many hands to call turn with.  Hands worse than J9 at river that call turn would be naked double straight draws like (8945, 8935,8934,Q934,Q945, etc.) turned low wrap 345x. He can also have hands like T89x, Q9Tx, KQTx, KQ6x, Q96x (flopped mid pair+OESD) The low wrap and double straight draw hands will be very weak on flop and may choose to cbet as a bluff so we can discount them slightly. Given all above he surprisingly wont have that many hands that arrive to river with worse than J9.

So we combine those ranges the better and the worse and see where J9 fits. Based on above I would mentally do the following in game play. There is where I see J9xx:

Bottom(8934)-------------J9xx-----------------------Top(22xx)

If my assesment of his ranges is accurate (Oddsen would only know) then surprisngly he isnt that far up in his range and a fold combinatorically wouldnt be as exploitable as it initially looked.

That all being said Oddsen can still fold regardless as he mentioned because Channing's PF range is tight and coincides with JTx flops quite well. 

Im sorry :(

Hi,

Im sorry for the late responses, ive been in Vegas for the world series + vacation 
the last 18 days, my brain just started working again due to jetlag.

My coloring system is just an old habit from back in the days when
I was playing 16-24 tables of low/midstakes, to get a feel for the
pool of players and for getting to table select abit when there
were alot of tables running. 

Here is my system:

Yellow: MTT regs
Light green: Loose passive recreationals
Green: Recreationals
Dark green: Super recreationals
Light blue: Loose agressive regulars both pre and post, very splashy
Blue: Very tight agressive regular
Dark Blue: Tighter version of Light blue, but still splashy
Pink: Tight TAG
Red: Solid TAG
Orange: Super though LAG
White: 8-game/mixed reg
Black: NL reg

Hi,

I will for sure try to make some live footage in the future, I think as for the schedule goes I will make it happen after the next 3-part video series.

That would for sure be amazing and very educational both for me and the viewers id guess, I am afraid im going to get humiliated on tape tho.

I definitely see merit to that line as well but Oddsen did mention that based on villains high cbet freq he will just fold his air a lot on flop to xr. 

Hi Fastbreak10,

Thats for sure a valid option and I might like this line more the deeper we are vs this given opponent. But I think id just have a vacum +EV spot to be x/r this flop given his tendencies (cbetting 90%+ of flops with a weak BTN stealing range and barreling 65%+ of turns.) I want to choose some hands to have in my x/r range such that a) im not over x/r'ing this flop (but still exploiting him) (for exampe; if i start x/r random air then im really fast going to be over x/ring this board) b) hands with some sort of equity that is not strong enough to x/c, x/c. 

"It just seems to me that every time he peels you on the flop you are in an even worse spot on the turn."
This is kind of true in that I will have alot of hard spots on future streets OOP with marginal holdings, but Id rather have some sort of equity then start x/r totally empty just because my life will be easier on future streets

I think this concept of constructing x/r ranges in PLO is way different than in NL, I think you should prefer to choose hands with equity instead of empty hands (like you can in nl (poarized))

Hope this helped clearify my thought process...

Good question, one paramater to be thinking through if debating between x-c,x-r or x-r flop is to get a grasp of how light villain is bet-calling turns, the more villain bet-folds the more I like your line.
I also think that waiting for turns in plo will make villains catch up alot of hands he woulda just b-f flop with, atleast more so in PLO than in NL. One thing that I can agree on is that versus this villain we can't peel hands like above and check-folds turns unimproved, then we are burning money.