Stars Nightly $162 Tourney Replay (4 of 4)

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David Emmons 12 years, 2 months ago

got emmm. gg good series and interesting thoughts about headsup play, especially adding limping ranges against aggressive pre-flop opponents. i do disagree on 445 that he wouldn't c/r small as a bluff...i think paired dry boards are people's favorite to put a small check raise in. as a bluff. for similar reasons i would just call the c/r instead of 3b that flop. i would like 3b with air just fine, and calling his 4b is obviously best, its sooo obvious he has air even though he doesent i would just try to maximize vs . i love your thought processes, especially in the ways they differ from my own. do you remember playing 200/400 HORSE 5 years ago? i emptied my 80k roll that day. the 48o hand was really fun bc you went into such detail but i did disagree with a few things and i like jamming river. woooow he has a4 hrmmm crazy hand man.

James Obst 12 years, 2 months ago

Will have to agree to disagree with that, i'd expect pure bluffs to c/r a bit more since a virtual click-back figures to like never work and will require multiple streets from them (this deep esp). I think at the time I prob agreed with you though since I decided to put him on a queen from the turn onwards which was stupid since on review I can't expect him to have Qx that isnt Q4 if my flop c/r read is what it is. losing the whole 300k on the river was disgraceful :). I reckon I'd taken a lot of caffeine this day to get through from an early start so I don't think I was relaxed and thinking all that clearly lol, just approached this hand like I had the nuts throughout, still prefer a river check. Hahah I wish that game still ran!!

James Obst 12 years, 2 months ago

actually i should amend that to against me - i agree actually against a random player a small c/r like that would be light often from an aggro player figuring it to work against all the cbetter's nothing - i don't see it vs me though cause everyone thinks I'm some maniac who won't fold 92 so even to get c/r bluffed on this board at all is kinda rare for me and def c/r so small with air hardly ever happens

Andre Bilenky 12 years, 1 month ago

great series!!
i just disagree in the k high call in the end of the video , when he showed up with kk.
dont you think its too obvious he cant have an ace besides AA so he will almost never bluff that river? even he being a crazy player? anyways, i always make a lot of mistakes by trying to judge my opponents skills and i end up leveling a lot wrong sometimes. do you have any particularly advice for the meta game against unknowns? ty for the videos james

James Obst 12 years, 1 month ago

Thanks a lot Andre! He's giving us enormous odds on a call and when he can't have an A on A343A there's not many hands that beat king high (this is also basically the top of our range to take this line, possibly some fours). I think if he's going for value he's as likely to have a king as a 3, 4 (or KK!) (That's arguable given his <20bb flat pre and our blocker, maybe there's not all that many kings). There's a few hands like 67 or 85s (other suited gutshots) types that have little showdown equity that might have called the flop as well, would make sense to take a little stab with these - my range is so wide that I have probably on average T or J high, I'm not calling these so he should definitely bluff some. I think we can't completely rule out some hands that whiffed this flop that he wants to call a small bet with to either hit or set up a later bluff (knowing he can't raise now to rep an ace) given how he has played. I feel folding a king here would be pretty bad but that's just my opinion, I was certainly wrong on this occasion.

Regarding your last question about meta-game, that's tricky. It's a lot different for me than for most others since I always have to deal with my manic image and make most of my decisions with that in mind. One thing I feel is a strength of mine is I understand people pretty well and indeed I spend a lot of time studying and thinking about personalities etc. It's a lot easier to make informed decisions if you can recognise what even just one line an opponent takes can tell you about their personality, and that goes beyond just "that guy just 3-barrel bluffed so he must be aggressive" - even just a turn check behind or a fast river decision in a close spot can give you a tip on how to approach opponents. Ergo I would always recommend cutting down on tables so you can pay closer attention both so you can play more accurately but also to observe more trends etc. that will help you play against randoms in the future. Also if you are low on tables you'll have time to look randoms up on OPR or other trackers that will show you stats that can also help you.

Andre Bilenky 12 years, 1 month ago

ty very much for the answer. by the way i just though that he would 3bet jam all aces there so he would be just too dumb to try to rep something in that river besides 3 or 4 , but i guess i could be result oriented in that spot. about the meta game, i have an maniac image as well and i fell that given that, i have to get it in much lighter and much more often than a regular player . this generates an ultra variance style cause even getting it in good you will loose a ton. so , i wonder if its better to play a more tag style , cause against that, people are in general more polarized ( pre flop) in their 3,4bet ranges and its just easier to play. anyways thanks a lot for the fantastic content!

Meistras 12 years, 1 month ago

Hi, could you tell me, how coach with 160k downswing at No Limit Hold'em regular speed MTT's and a pretty bad tendencies can teach others how to play tournaments?

I see that your turbo MTT's is in better shape, so maybe you should tech only them at this moment?

No offence, but I think that it isn't fair from the side of coaching website vs. it's customers. This is appalling to say the least...

Jazz Mathers 11 years, 9 months ago

heavy

Alexey Popov 11 years, 11 months ago

QJo overbet on the river
I don't agree that overbet has much merit vs normal size bet there. I don't really think he is strong there at all. He checked the turn - so TP is unlikely. Second pairs he could be checking flop with. So he is likely to have air or something really weak. You say you don't want to be losing to pair of deuces there, but he would be folding that to a half pot bet anyway. I would opt to bluff cheaper there

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