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Sunday FTOPS ME Live Session (part 2)

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James Obst

POSTED Jul 02, 2013

James continues his Sunday session with some thoughts on finding balance between avoiding high variance spots while avoiding being exploited for it.

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James Obst 11 years, 8 months ago

Just a comment to add to the TT hand: I might have been tempted to follow through on the river if it blanked - with the Tc it makes it even less likely our opponent will have a flush, so a big bet on the river would look tempting. It would depend on how likely I thought my opponent was to hero call with AK-AJ with a club.

Andre Bilenky 11 years, 8 months ago

when you talk about balance in this spot, i think its really not important unless you are up against a familiar player or there are familiar players at the table that could perhaps pay attention to your play. not a common spot and really doesnt matter the need to balance against a player you might never play against in the future..imo

if called on the turn, what would you do on a small club river? i say small cause on big club card its more likely you have the best hand .


James Obst 11 years, 8 months ago
Fair point Andre, I think it's actually quite a common spot though, you'll face the decision whether to lead out turns when you hit the flush or to check pretty often. I definitely should have pointed out that I have played a lot with the villain in this hand, and generally I play mostly in reg-infested fields which is why I'm more focused on balance than perhaps others need to be. I agree that in a tourney like this against a random we should focus more on vacuum plays, whereupon against a passive/cally type player checking seems better and against an aggressive player taking the lead seems to me to be more meritorious.

On a club river I'm checking given his turn calling range will have a high club in it very often, and strongly considering folding to a bet.



Matt Heap 11 years, 8 months ago

When you made a small 3b from the SB with AA vs. the CO open, you rightly said it looks too strong, and you would have preferred a call or 3b jam.  I agree with you on this, but on this note, shouldn't we be looking to make these very strong looking small 3b’s vs. certain steal attempts with hands which contain blockers, e.g. suited (to ensure we aren't getting carried away with it) Broadway cards?

Taking this a little further, even hands that we are happy to 3b jam with, why not make this strong looking small 3b to hopefully fold out some hands that the villain may otherwise be more inclined to call a jam with, and in doing so reducing our variance slightly?

14.23 (AJ on AJ9) I’m not sure I would have dismissed a check as easily as you did.  When we flop 2 pair on this board texture, I feel it’s too hard for the villain to have anything most of the time, so why not check where the villain may put us on an under pair or suited connectors which didn’t connect?The fact he flatted looks strong, and he knows this, therefore he maybe more inclined to stab if we check to him, assuming he has no showdown value?

44.27 (A7o BB vs. BTN open) I'm definitely more in favour of 3b with this hand and trying to take it down pre-flop.  It’s likely we have the best hand and I don't feel it plays too well OOP if we don’t flop an ace, I feel we’re making it too easy for a someone to blow us off what is likely the best hand.

Suggestion for future videos with this format: It might be more useful if you can prepare by watching the video yourself, making bullet point notes and comments, then when you come to record it you can get through much more
content, with less pausing.  I’m sure if this turns out to be a 4-part
series, it could well have covered just as much ground in 2 parts.

That said, cool video James, it’s very refreshing to hear you question and suggest improvements to your own plays made in game.

James Obst 11 years, 8 months ago
Thanks for the feedback Matt. Yes if we think such small 3bets will receive a lot of credit and we still have room to fold we should throw them in on occasion. In such spots I'm much more oriented by feel than cards - we're going to do it because we think our opponent will give us enormous credit and fold a huge part of their range, so blockers whilst handy are not as relevant as when we open UTG with a full table to act all of whom will be playing range poker. If you think you lack the necessary feel for game flow and so on then doing as you say and choosing rare hands with blockers is a great start. The mind games with sizing you're thinking about are great and I try to encourage that in my videos.

On AJ9 it's got to be extremely rare he's flopped nothing, for that to be true he'd have to have like 56s, which I doubt he calls preflop. I think if your opponent is not a proven postflop hyper-lag checking is fancy play syndrome and risky when we should expect to be called often by one pairs, possibly even gutshot type hands. I could see an argument for wanting to balance a checking range of 2nd pair type hands with 2 pair or better (we're up against regs in that one), but I do know that opponent well enough to know checking's not the play vs him there, he's not likely to barrel off. In addition I think allowing a check behind and often missing a clear street of value whilst giving us a harder time repping air should we bet turn and river is inferior in a vacuum. I'm not sure what to guess he might have folded, he's normally solid so may not be peeling with gutshots or may have been getting unusually cute with an unexpected hand pre.

With A7 in general I disagree strongly here, if your standard is to 3b any time you have ace-low offsuit here you're going to have either a huge or badly unbalanced 3betting range and competent opponents will catch on quickly. Your variance will increase exponentially and you'll find yourself in some awful postflop situations with a much lower stack to pot ratio where the inevitable mistakes you'll make due to being OOP will be far more costly. It's just a minraise, you'll be forced to fold the best hand sometimes but you're OOP so that's unavoidable. If you watch some NL HU videos on the site I'm sure there wouldn't be many times you'd see a hand like this 3-bet from the BB. If you're uncomfortable thinking you're going to get barrelled off your hand any time you don't flop an ace that probably says you need to either start playing tougher postflop to where you stop getting barrelled as often or against crazy opponents you say fine, it only cost 1 bet, and call down when you defend and do flop well.

My impression with live videos versus replayer is that people want to see all hands, folds steals etc. I'm sure I could have been more concise with a couple of explanations but I thought there would be benefits to me talking through blind - readless impressions plus retrospective analysis could be better than simple one-way commentary? I'll think about this some more and welcome other opinions. I'm sure I'd still pause a lot so I'm not sure if I'd get through that much more to be honest. Cheers.

imawhale26 11 years, 8 months ago

Really like the donk lead on the turn with 10-10.  Its something Ive been working on alot lately.

People are opening and cbetting wider than ever so I think it is something good players should have in their arsenal.

I tend to do it with air a larger portion of the time which may be exploitable, but this is mainly because it is really hard to come up with the rational behind doing it with hands that have sdv like you explained in the video.

So far Ive found that the most effective spots for using it are in ICM scenarios when we're a bigger stack and when we're in the BB vs button or lp aggressive villians who will cbet all of their range on a-x and k-x type boards in position.  If we do this with air by c/calling saying I flopped top pair then lead the turn, it forces villians to continue with their air a material portion of the time.  I think that is where the profitability lies within making the play.

mickman 11 years, 8 months ago

Really like your playing style James. Your words of wisdom also encourage me to make a more strenuous effort to play better.

misamisa 11 years, 7 months ago

Solid video implied odds with 22 is more than fine ur 100% making chips here even purely setmining but given villain was as Agro as described don't mind your high variance shove.

DarthVader 9 years, 11 months ago

James, what do u think about limping KQs (the first hand you address in the vid)? I see a lot of good regs do it. Lately ive seen players who are playing high-stakes cap cash games, so I assume they know what they are doing.

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