Likewise! I am a 6 max player too, and get good value from your videos! I think because HU has fewer preflop scenarios (as compared to 6max or tournaments) HU players dedicate more study to theory and the fine detail of postflop situations. Your content is good in these areas, so lots for us to learn! Also it's useful to learn some heads up concepts for table starting too.
Thank you so much for the support matlittle, I’m really happy to read this and I will definitely try to continue bringing good content for 6 max players as well.
14.30 - Q62ddh5h
Interesting concept you talk about here - I remembered from your previous video that out of position we size down on dynamic boards because our value hands can face many bad rivers and we can't control the pot size by checking back. I was a little surprised to hear that this is true when we are in position too. Is this due to out of position having the option to donk bet the river? Or is it simply an effect of betting too big and narrowing his range somewhat to more hands with higher equity, such as pair + draw?
As far as I’ve seen, this concept tends to apply much more often when we are OOP mainly because, as you mention, the fact that we cannot just simply check back the River and showdown our hand. However, I’ve seen some spots (like this one) in which we tend to also size down IP just slightly on quite dynamic textures as opposed to the more ‘’static’’ ones.
There is no option to lead OTR for OOP in the sim I checked so that shouldn’t be the reason. I think this mainly happens because of the fact that our strong hands equity is more ‘’volatile’’ and therefore we won’t be able to valuebet as thin on more Rivers if we size up OTT.
Nuno Alvarez Is this true mostly in SRP or 3BP as well? Ive seen some weird ones in six max btn vs sb 3bp where OOP jams 1.5x pot on double flush draw boards. Idk if it was just JTXXsscc type boards or other double flush draw boards. But common mistake I make is mixing SRP and 3BP strategy up given SPR vastly different.
I think that this is mainly a SRP concept since in 3BP, just because of the SPR, there is much more value on fastplaying our strong but vulnerable hands when the board is very dynamic. Those turn shoves on double FD boards (especially on the JTx type configurations) are very common in HUNL as well since denying equity with our TP and overpair hands is just really important on such a short SPR.
Idk if it was just JTXXsscc type boards or other double flush draw boards.
In 6 max 3bet pots you see lots of turn shoving on dynamic board that bring a 2 flush draw turn. Like you mention it's usually:
late position spots (where overpairs are more valuable)
on extremely dynamic flops that bring a 2nd flush draw (QJXXddcc, QTXX, JTXX, J9XX etc.
turn doesn't complete straights
In fact, the exact board you mention JTXss can be played with a FLOP shoving range in a 3bet pot in SB vs BTN or BB vs BTN. Run your usual sim for this spot and add all in to the flop options for OOP and you will probably see a shoving range on JT2ss JT3ss, JT4ss boards.
To be honest, I don’t see myself qualified to answer your question since I don’t play 6 max at all. However, if I had to guess, I’d say that this concept will still apply in 6 max, especially in wider range situations.
Nice to have you one more year!
I'm one of those 6m players that enjoy your content very much.
Interesting hands, especially those two controversial folds haha
Keep 'em coming :)
44.40
Here you note that the recreational player opened with a min-raise, but had previously opened to a bigger sizing. You said that you think the min raise probably makes his range a little weaker. How would you adjust against this preflop? And how would you adjust against it preflop?
My preflop adjustments will vary quite a bit depending on the player. If I see that the recreational always opens big with their good hands and small with their weaker ones I’d start 3B’ing all my trash when he opens small and only the hands that will continue vs 4B when he opens big.
When it comes to postflop, I’d be willing to put much more pressure with my bluffs when he opens small (especially on A and K high boards) since I’d expect his range to be much weaker. Similarly, I’d usually bet smaller with my value hands to target their weaker pairs and such.
At the end of the day, Poker is a game of logic and exploiting in particular is always about ‘’making sense’’. Try to not get lost on applying theory and be as creative as possible when exploiting.
Hey Nuno. I've just subscribed to Elite, only because of you and your amazing videos. Congrats on reaching your long-term goal of NL5K this year! I guess one of your new goals is to reach NL10K+ eventually? When I first read your blog a couple years ago, I was very certain, that you would eventually reach your goal. You had everything it takes to get there.
May you explain in more detail what trash hands you would 3B and to what size vs the weaker 2x Range? I know that 2x yields amazing Pot Odds to the BB, so we can flat a lot of very weak hands very profitably already. So I guess you are going for like an overall 30% 3B there with both your strongest trash hands, which are just too weak to profitably call + your premium hands which can call 4B?
When assuming that the Rec is overall openraising like 75% and sits always at 100bb+, I think going for a 9bb or 10bb 3B looks to be good to me. What do you think?
Hey Schiller! Thank you so much for the kind words, it makes me happy to read that you suscribed to Elite because of my videos.
Regarding reaching 10KNL+ at some point, I haven't thought that much about it tbh. 10KNL never ever runs with recreationals so playing that would imply just regbattling vs some of the best players that are willing to give action at those stakes. While I can certainly see myself doing that in the near future, I feel like there's still a long way for me to get there.
May you explain in more detail what trash hands you would 3B and to what size vs the weaker 2x Range? I know that 2x yields amazing Pot Odds to the BB, so we can flat a lot of very weak hands very profitably already. So I guess you are going for like an overall 30% 3B there with both your strongest trash hands, which are just too weak to profitably call + your premium hands which can call 4B?
You're pretty much spot on. Sizing wise I'd often go 8bb if I notice that my opponent is playing 2 different OR sizings in order to punish their weaker range. Regarding the range construction, it will vary a lot depending on how they respond vs 3B, gameflow dynamics etc but it will be mostly built in the way you described.
When assuming that the Rec is overall openraising like 75% and sits always at 100bb+, I think going for a 9bb or 10bb 3B looks to be good to me. What do you think?
I agree, my default is to 3B to 9bb in general unless they like to call a bit too much in which case I often size up to 12bb.
Amazing fold 1750 with T9s on AT92ss. Gives me confidence to make some exploit folds and not blindly stack off 2 pair because aggro dynamics or PIO wouldnt fold etc.
I’m not overly proud of my decision here or anything and to be honest I was expecting to get some negative feedback about it given that PIO calls it but I really thought it was a reasonable spot to fold and I still believe so.
Interesting that you mention confidence here. I do think that being confident enough to make this big deviations (especially vs strong players) is such an important quality to have as a Poker player. We should not assume that everybody has bluffs everywhere just because they are good players and we should not call or bluff certain hands just because PIO does so.
Not at all. The reason why we're supposed to randomize vs strong opposition is to become less predictable and harder to exploit. When we play against weaker opposition we don't need to randomize since they won't notice that we're predictable nor exploit it in any way.
Think about it as playing rock, paper, scissors. If you play against a thinking player, you want to avoid playing rock more often than the rest of options since you don't want them to exploit you by playing paper more often against you. Therefore, playing 33.3% each option would make you unexploitable.
Now let's assume that we're playing vs a weaker player who has a very clear tendency of playing paper. We have two options. One is to continue playing 33.3% each option and remain unexploitable and the other one is to start playing scissors more often (or potentially every single time) and max exploit our opponent (even though we will become exploitable doing this, if they don't notice and re-adjust we will be yielding the most EV by doing this)
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Hey Nuno glad your sticking around! As a 6Max player I get value out of your videos
Thank you soup. Glad to hear that!
Likewise! I am a 6 max player too, and get good value from your videos! I think because HU has fewer preflop scenarios (as compared to 6max or tournaments) HU players dedicate more study to theory and the fine detail of postflop situations. Your content is good in these areas, so lots for us to learn! Also it's useful to learn some heads up concepts for table starting too.
Thank you so much for the support matlittle, I’m really happy to read this and I will definitely try to continue bringing good content for 6 max players as well.
14.30 - Q62ddh5h
Interesting concept you talk about here - I remembered from your previous video that out of position we size down on dynamic boards because our value hands can face many bad rivers and we can't control the pot size by checking back. I was a little surprised to hear that this is true when we are in position too. Is this due to out of position having the option to donk bet the river? Or is it simply an effect of betting too big and narrowing his range somewhat to more hands with higher equity, such as pair + draw?
Very good question mat.
As far as I’ve seen, this concept tends to apply much more often when we are OOP mainly because, as you mention, the fact that we cannot just simply check back the River and showdown our hand. However, I’ve seen some spots (like this one) in which we tend to also size down IP just slightly on quite dynamic textures as opposed to the more ‘’static’’ ones.
There is no option to lead OTR for OOP in the sim I checked so that shouldn’t be the reason. I think this mainly happens because of the fact that our strong hands equity is more ‘’volatile’’ and therefore we won’t be able to valuebet as thin on more Rivers if we size up OTT.
Nuno Alvarez Is this true mostly in SRP or 3BP as well? Ive seen some weird ones in six max btn vs sb 3bp where OOP jams 1.5x pot on double flush draw boards. Idk if it was just JTXXsscc type boards or other double flush draw boards. But common mistake I make is mixing SRP and 3BP strategy up given SPR vastly different.
Hey RunItTw1ce, good question too.
I think that this is mainly a SRP concept since in 3BP, just because of the SPR, there is much more value on fastplaying our strong but vulnerable hands when the board is very dynamic. Those turn shoves on double FD boards (especially on the JTx type configurations) are very common in HUNL as well since denying equity with our TP and overpair hands is just really important on such a short SPR.
In 6 max 3bet pots you see lots of turn shoving on dynamic board that bring a 2 flush draw turn. Like you mention it's usually:
late position spots (where overpairs are more valuable)
on extremely dynamic flops that bring a 2nd flush draw (QJXXddcc, QTXX, JTXX, J9XX etc.
turn doesn't complete straights
In fact, the exact board you mention JTXss can be played with a FLOP shoving range in a 3bet pot in SB vs BTN or BB vs BTN. Run your usual sim for this spot and add all in to the flop options for OOP and you will probably see a shoving range on JT2ss JT3ss, JT4ss boards.
Those are among the only boards in which OOP 3BP develops an openshove strategy on HUNL as well FWIW.
+1 here as a 6max player, that really enjoys your content.
Does the concept of sizing down to psb vs overbet, on double flush draw turns apply to 6max? Or is this more of a HU concept?
Thank you pocketprofits.
To be honest, I don’t see myself qualified to answer your question since I don’t play 6 max at all. However, if I had to guess, I’d say that this concept will still apply in 6 max, especially in wider range situations.
Nice to have you one more year!
I'm one of those 6m players that enjoy your content very much.
Interesting hands, especially those two controversial folds haha
Keep 'em coming :)
Muchas gracias zache. I remember you watching my videos a looong time ago haha, thanks for the continued support!
44.40
Here you note that the recreational player opened with a min-raise, but had previously opened to a bigger sizing. You said that you think the min raise probably makes his range a little weaker. How would you adjust against this preflop? And how would you adjust against it preflop?
Hey mat.
My preflop adjustments will vary quite a bit depending on the player. If I see that the recreational always opens big with their good hands and small with their weaker ones I’d start 3B’ing all my trash when he opens small and only the hands that will continue vs 4B when he opens big.
When it comes to postflop, I’d be willing to put much more pressure with my bluffs when he opens small (especially on A and K high boards) since I’d expect his range to be much weaker. Similarly, I’d usually bet smaller with my value hands to target their weaker pairs and such.
At the end of the day, Poker is a game of logic and exploiting in particular is always about ‘’making sense’’. Try to not get lost on applying theory and be as creative as possible when exploiting.
Hey Nuno. I've just subscribed to Elite, only because of you and your amazing videos. Congrats on reaching your long-term goal of NL5K this year! I guess one of your new goals is to reach NL10K+ eventually? When I first read your blog a couple years ago, I was very certain, that you would eventually reach your goal. You had everything it takes to get there.
May you explain in more detail what trash hands you would 3B and to what size vs the weaker 2x Range? I know that 2x yields amazing Pot Odds to the BB, so we can flat a lot of very weak hands very profitably already. So I guess you are going for like an overall 30% 3B there with both your strongest trash hands, which are just too weak to profitably call + your premium hands which can call 4B?
When assuming that the Rec is overall openraising like 75% and sits always at 100bb+, I think going for a 9bb or 10bb 3B looks to be good to me. What do you think?
Hey Schiller! Thank you so much for the kind words, it makes me happy to read that you suscribed to Elite because of my videos.
Regarding reaching 10KNL+ at some point, I haven't thought that much about it tbh. 10KNL never ever runs with recreationals so playing that would imply just regbattling vs some of the best players that are willing to give action at those stakes. While I can certainly see myself doing that in the near future, I feel like there's still a long way for me to get there.
You're pretty much spot on. Sizing wise I'd often go 8bb if I notice that my opponent is playing 2 different OR sizings in order to punish their weaker range. Regarding the range construction, it will vary a lot depending on how they respond vs 3B, gameflow dynamics etc but it will be mostly built in the way you described.
I agree, my default is to 3B to 9bb in general unless they like to call a bit too much in which case I often size up to 12bb.
Amazing fold 1750 with T9s on AT92ss. Gives me confidence to make some exploit folds and not blindly stack off 2 pair because aggro dynamics or PIO wouldnt fold etc.
Thank you RunItTw1ce!
I’m not overly proud of my decision here or anything and to be honest I was expecting to get some negative feedback about it given that PIO calls it but I really thought it was a reasonable spot to fold and I still believe so.
Interesting that you mention confidence here. I do think that being confident enough to make this big deviations (especially vs strong players) is such an important quality to have as a Poker player. We should not assume that everybody has bluffs everywhere just because they are good players and we should not call or bluff certain hands just because PIO does so.
Do you use RNG preflop and postflop vs recreationals?
Hey Schiller.
Not at all. The reason why we're supposed to randomize vs strong opposition is to become less predictable and harder to exploit. When we play against weaker opposition we don't need to randomize since they won't notice that we're predictable nor exploit it in any way.
Think about it as playing rock, paper, scissors. If you play against a thinking player, you want to avoid playing rock more often than the rest of options since you don't want them to exploit you by playing paper more often against you. Therefore, playing 33.3% each option would make you unexploitable.
Now let's assume that we're playing vs a weaker player who has a very clear tendency of playing paper. We have two options. One is to continue playing 33.3% each option and remain unexploitable and the other one is to start playing scissors more often (or potentially every single time) and max exploit our opponent (even though we will become exploitable doing this, if they don't notice and re-adjust we will be yielding the most EV by doing this)
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