10min on 6224sscc. I think human emotions play a big part in this strategy. At least in live cash or six max when IP 4 bets you expect a lot of QQ+ holdings. The OOP player emotionally will play a game of chicken. Where solver is raising 99-77 6x XcXC etc. A human does a lot more calling. Only 3/4 spr leff so I like a shove and see if opponent is willing to call off 77-99 6x. A lof of people in other formats will find folds because they don't beat value. I think its a good redline spot.
I can agree with this idea in live games or lower stakes where people would be way more scared in general. That said, at these stakes I think it can actually be the opposite and people would fast play way too much with the pocket pairs and essentially never fold them vs turn jam IMO.
31:45 T#2 as well as some other hands where you described the bet sizes as old school poker. It almost feels as if they are ignoring certain textures and just rng for their bet size. What do you think about doing this preflop just to be confusing? Have bet sizes 2-5bb rfi where every hand in your range will use a different size 20% of the time. Some times AA will be 2bb some times 5bb. Some times 84s will be 2bb some times 4bb. Just add a layer of unpredictability.
I don’t think they are necessarily rng for their bet size, I think they are playing a way more elaborated strategy than that.
What do you think about doing this preflop just to be confusing? Have bet sizes 2-5bb rfi where every hand in your range will use a different size 20% of the time. Some times AA will be 2bb some times 5bb. Some times 84s will be 2bb some times 4bb. Just add a layer of unpredictability.
It’s funny that you mention that because a friend had a similar idea some time ago. Short answer is that I doubt it contributes much to your overall preflop EV so it’s not worth the work.
These games with the mandatory showing of hole cards make for great footage, we are blessed to have these high stakes games!
I was curious to ask about this hand with the 4 straight. You briefly mentioned the idea of putting naked 8 into the shoving range for IP. I was curious as to whether the solver would do it, so I checked. The naked 8x goes into the 50% sizing, with only Q8 and KQ going into the shoving range. I was curious as to whether changing the 9 and 7 around (so that BB doesn't have Q8) would change it, but no, there is still no naked 8x in the shoving range. I also tried JT289, but still no shoving 1 card straights. I also tried this final board with 200bb stacks, but still no! Tried adding a donking range for BB too.
I have definitely seen boards where it happens in 6 max. I'm curious as to if you know what circumstances might trigger it?
Agree on the mandatory showing making for great footage, been loving reviewing these so far!
The idea here always revolves around the fact that if your opponent has a big percentage of straights in range then there is no point for you to shove your same straights because they will just reach the MDF by calling those and nothing else so your hand would always make more EV by sizing down and forcing calls from the 1p and 2p region instead. If you play around with the solver and remove straights for the OOP player you will see that you now start shoving yours because he still needs to reach MDF with those 1p and 2p hands given that they have not enough straights anymore.
Interestingly we saw both players are probably opening any 2 from the BTN. Do you think that they think their opponent is making a preflop mistake which allows them to do so, e.g. folding too much or 3betting too little, or do you think they both assume they have a postflop edge vs their opponent?
Good question. It's hard to know for sure but I would assume they are just adjusting due to the fact that there is a small ante and no rake so playing 100% from the BU seems better even though it might not be the optimal strategy I would guess.
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10min on 6224sscc. I think human emotions play a big part in this strategy. At least in live cash or six max when IP 4 bets you expect a lot of QQ+ holdings. The OOP player emotionally will play a game of chicken. Where solver is raising 99-77 6x XcXC etc. A human does a lot more calling. Only 3/4 spr leff so I like a shove and see if opponent is willing to call off 77-99 6x. A lof of people in other formats will find folds because they don't beat value. I think its a good redline spot.
I can agree with this idea in live games or lower stakes where people would be way more scared in general. That said, at these stakes I think it can actually be the opposite and people would fast play way too much with the pocket pairs and essentially never fold them vs turn jam IMO.
31:45 T#2 as well as some other hands where you described the bet sizes as old school poker. It almost feels as if they are ignoring certain textures and just rng for their bet size. What do you think about doing this preflop just to be confusing? Have bet sizes 2-5bb rfi where every hand in your range will use a different size 20% of the time. Some times AA will be 2bb some times 5bb. Some times 84s will be 2bb some times 4bb. Just add a layer of unpredictability.
I don’t think they are necessarily rng for their bet size, I think they are playing a way more elaborated strategy than that.
It’s funny that you mention that because a friend had a similar idea some time ago. Short answer is that I doubt it contributes much to your overall preflop EV so it’s not worth the work.
42:30 would like to see the sim on this AK5r-Qss-8 board. Shoving and calling ranges. Looking forward to part 2
There you go:
Interesting no QJ QT in range. I thought blocking some 2 pairs and straights that 3rd pair can be turned into a bluff.
Note that those hands don't bluff because they still show down for very little EV vs Jxss and Txss. HU ranges are wide :P
Thanks for the vid Nuno!
Would love to see you analyze Prodigy's play if possible, dude's a sicko.
This is him vs asianflushie!
I listened to his podcast on MOP. It's so cringe! Age really shows when you constantly laugh at everything and every sentence is "umm like."
Thanks for the suggestion! I would definitely review this for you guys so stay tuned :)
Nuno Alvarez
Sick, can't wait!
These games with the mandatory showing of hole cards make for great footage, we are blessed to have these high stakes games!
I was curious to ask about this hand with the 4 straight. You briefly mentioned the idea of putting naked 8 into the shoving range for IP. I was curious as to whether the solver would do it, so I checked. The naked 8x goes into the 50% sizing, with only Q8 and KQ going into the shoving range. I was curious as to whether changing the 9 and 7 around (so that BB doesn't have Q8) would change it, but no, there is still no naked 8x in the shoving range. I also tried JT289, but still no shoving 1 card straights. I also tried this final board with 200bb stacks, but still no! Tried adding a donking range for BB too.
I have definitely seen boards where it happens in 6 max. I'm curious as to if you know what circumstances might trigger it?
Agree on the mandatory showing making for great footage, been loving reviewing these so far!
The idea here always revolves around the fact that if your opponent has a big percentage of straights in range then there is no point for you to shove your same straights because they will just reach the MDF by calling those and nothing else so your hand would always make more EV by sizing down and forcing calls from the 1p and 2p region instead. If you play around with the solver and remove straights for the OOP player you will see that you now start shoving yours because he still needs to reach MDF with those 1p and 2p hands given that they have not enough straights anymore.
Interestingly we saw both players are probably opening any 2 from the BTN. Do you think that they think their opponent is making a preflop mistake which allows them to do so, e.g. folding too much or 3betting too little, or do you think they both assume they have a postflop edge vs their opponent?
Good question. It's hard to know for sure but I would assume they are just adjusting due to the fact that there is a small ante and no rake so playing 100% from the BU seems better even though it might not be the optimal strategy I would guess.
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