You have to admire Nacho's volume and fearlessness in taking on the specialists, man has a big heart!
I wonder if you have an opinion on a topical issue, regarding the Zenith situation. A well known pro has commented: "the counter-strategy primarily involved alternative RFI and 3-bet sizes to avoid common sizings, an approach that would be effective against most players love this part, Zenith poker has an impressive combination of complete incompetence and complete lack of ethical standards."
I'm not asking your take on the drama but more so why there is still such a debate now in 2023 on this topic, even after extensive discussion. I see most HU regs do not complicate pre-flop solutions, but why is attempting to do so a sign of complete incompetence? In your opinion is this not where the money comes from and why? And when playing vs an opponent using such a complex preflop approach, how easy do you find it to combat?
You have to admire Nacho's volume and fearlessness in taking on the specialists, man has a big heart!
Couldn't agree more. Huge respect.
Regarding you preflop question:
I see most HU regs do not complicate pre-flop solutions, but why is attempting to do so a sign of complete incompetence?
I think the comment that the well known pro has made about what Zenith said is on point since preflop RFI and 3B sizes don't matter all that much in theory so altering that that can't be ''an approach that would be effective against most players''
In your opinion is this not where the money comes from and why?
Definitely not. The reason is quite simple. Preflop HUNL is solved and RFI or 3B sizes deviations will not cause a lot of touble to your opponent as long as they don't deviate too much from their own strategy. Preflop is quite automatic these days. There's no way to win a lot of money preflop unless your competition is making big mistakes (which is extremely uncommon these days)
And when playing vs an opponent using such a complex preflop approach, how easy do you find it to combat?
As I said, it's quite simple. As long as you don't make massive deviations you can't really be exploited by that much. Even if your opponent is playing a limp strategy. Preflop itself is not going to report them as much money as postflop will ever do!
40.50 - T6 on QQ9r
What's your perception on how people construct their check-back ranges on boards like this where it's a high frequency cbet spot (75%+) that could be simplified to a range cbet? Do you have any exploits or adjustments for this type of spot, if you think your opponent is creating their range poorly and in a predictable fashion?
My perception is that people tend to check an overly medium range in these type of boards therefore my main adjustments are to probe a little bit thinner for value OTT in general and also to underbluff quite a bit (especially on runouts that hit their range)
Overfolding vs DCB is also a good one since their medium checking range OTF cannot bluff properly blank Turns.
My perception is that people tend to check an overly medium range in these type of boards therefore my main adjustments are to probe a little bit thinner for value OTT in general and also to underbluff quite a bit (especially on runouts that hit their range)
Yes this is my perception too. I guess I will be able to check this on Hand2Note once I learn how to use it! Thanks for the exploits, I agree with those too!
42.35 - Q6 on Q5435
Your opponent showed down K2 here which he check-called the turn rather than probing. He also showed down a very similar hand before for this line. Would this info be enough to make you start adjusting to him a little bit, e.g. following through on more rivers after delayed cbetting and being called?
I think those hands are extreme enough for us to start adjusting a little bit and following thorugh more often as well as valuebetting a little bit thinner on this node in general.
41.25 - QQ9c4c2
Here you say that on the river you want a club to bluff, which I learned from another of your videos is a good blocker type as it unblocks pure air, because villain's club hands would have bet turn more often whereas air hands of other suits check back more often. Is this blocker property just for check-down pots? I tried looking at a hand that went check-call, check-check, and OOP is deciding whether to bluff river or not. In the spots I looked at the flush draw blockers were not good to bluff with, and in fact the other suits were better as bluffs.
I recommend you to try to use logic here and think about how blocker properties work depending on what you expect your opponents to be doing. Using this particular hand as an example, we can assume that having a club in our hand would be better to unblock IP folding range since they're supposed to be betting Flop and Turn more often with a club themselves. Now if we look at a spot in which we check/call the Flop, Turn goes check/check and we arrive to the River with a missed flushdraw, if we apply the same logic, a missed FD hand should be a better bluff since IP is supposed to be continuing OTT with FD's themselves while they will more often give up with their Flop backdoor hands. That said, there's a big difference between one line and the other. In the checkdown spot we as OOP have plenty of bluffs to choose from and our value range isn't necessarily extremely wide so in general we can be a little bit more selective with our bluffing hand choices. However, in the call Flop and check/check Turn spot our ''air'' will pretty much always bluff no matter our blockers/unblockers since our range is condensed (we don't have total air calling OTF) and we have way more value hands to balance out.
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You have to admire Nacho's volume and fearlessness in taking on the specialists, man has a big heart!
I wonder if you have an opinion on a topical issue, regarding the Zenith situation. A well known pro has commented: "the counter-strategy primarily involved alternative RFI and 3-bet sizes to avoid common sizings, an approach that would be effective against most players love this part, Zenith poker has an impressive combination of complete incompetence and complete lack of ethical standards."
I'm not asking your take on the drama but more so why there is still such a debate now in 2023 on this topic, even after extensive discussion. I see most HU regs do not complicate pre-flop solutions, but why is attempting to do so a sign of complete incompetence? In your opinion is this not where the money comes from and why? And when playing vs an opponent using such a complex preflop approach, how easy do you find it to combat?
Couldn't agree more. Huge respect.
Regarding you preflop question:
I think the comment that the well known pro has made about what Zenith said is on point since preflop RFI and 3B sizes don't matter all that much in theory so altering that that can't be ''an approach that would be effective against most players''
Definitely not. The reason is quite simple. Preflop HUNL is solved and RFI or 3B sizes deviations will not cause a lot of touble to your opponent as long as they don't deviate too much from their own strategy. Preflop is quite automatic these days. There's no way to win a lot of money preflop unless your competition is making big mistakes (which is extremely uncommon these days)
As I said, it's quite simple. As long as you don't make massive deviations you can't really be exploited by that much. Even if your opponent is playing a limp strategy. Preflop itself is not going to report them as much money as postflop will ever do!
love to see battle vs living legend! thanks for nice content!
Thank you for watching!
wow I could watch these tapes all day. Can't wait for the rest.
Thank you mx! More coming soon.
These vids are epic! Whats the name of the tool you are using to display timing per action?
Thank you hennerz!
It's a feature of StarsCaption.
40.50 - T6 on QQ9r
What's your perception on how people construct their check-back ranges on boards like this where it's a high frequency cbet spot (75%+) that could be simplified to a range cbet? Do you have any exploits or adjustments for this type of spot, if you think your opponent is creating their range poorly and in a predictable fashion?
Good question mat.
My perception is that people tend to check an overly medium range in these type of boards therefore my main adjustments are to probe a little bit thinner for value OTT in general and also to underbluff quite a bit (especially on runouts that hit their range)
Overfolding vs DCB is also a good one since their medium checking range OTF cannot bluff properly blank Turns.
Yes this is my perception too. I guess I will be able to check this on Hand2Note once I learn how to use it! Thanks for the exploits, I agree with those too!
42.35 - Q6 on Q5435
Your opponent showed down K2 here which he check-called the turn rather than probing. He also showed down a very similar hand before for this line. Would this info be enough to make you start adjusting to him a little bit, e.g. following through on more rivers after delayed cbetting and being called?
Another good question.
I think those hands are extreme enough for us to start adjusting a little bit and following thorugh more often as well as valuebetting a little bit thinner on this node in general.
41.25 - QQ9c4c2
Here you say that on the river you want a club to bluff, which I learned from another of your videos is a good blocker type as it unblocks pure air, because villain's club hands would have bet turn more often whereas air hands of other suits check back more often. Is this blocker property just for check-down pots? I tried looking at a hand that went check-call, check-check, and OOP is deciding whether to bluff river or not. In the spots I looked at the flush draw blockers were not good to bluff with, and in fact the other suits were better as bluffs.
I recommend you to try to use logic here and think about how blocker properties work depending on what you expect your opponents to be doing. Using this particular hand as an example, we can assume that having a club in our hand would be better to unblock IP folding range since they're supposed to be betting Flop and Turn more often with a club themselves. Now if we look at a spot in which we check/call the Flop, Turn goes check/check and we arrive to the River with a missed flushdraw, if we apply the same logic, a missed FD hand should be a better bluff since IP is supposed to be continuing OTT with FD's themselves while they will more often give up with their Flop backdoor hands. That said, there's a big difference between one line and the other. In the checkdown spot we as OOP have plenty of bluffs to choose from and our value range isn't necessarily extremely wide so in general we can be a little bit more selective with our bluffing hand choices. However, in the call Flop and check/check Turn spot our ''air'' will pretty much always bluff no matter our blockers/unblockers since our range is condensed (we don't have total air calling OTF) and we have way more value hands to balance out.
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