$25/$50 HUNL: Me vs FourSixFour
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7:40 on AT8cc-3ss the pot is 44bb with 84bb effective. In some recent videos I have seen coaches use a large turn size, which only leaves about 1/4th pot behind on the river. What are your thoughts about leaving 25% pot behind on the river and using a bigger turn size with hands like sets, 2 pair, FD, etc and denies equity to some KK-JJ holdings as well as some other gut shots like KQ/QJ etc. I did compare this spot to six max BTN vs BB and both six max and HU when you give custom Ai multiple sizes it prefers half pot sizing. Do you know when we can use OB on the turn even though stacks are awkward on the river?
On this T84cc-3ss board for six max we can see some OB shoves being used on the turn. Why is AT8cc-3ss never shoving?
HU AT8cc-3ss only prefers 2/3 or X no bigger bets
Six max BTN vs BB AT8cc-3ss 2/3 or X no bigger bets
Six max BTN vs BB T84cc-3ss mix of 2/3 or All in.
Is this because top pair is static so less equity to deny to a hand like 2 overs + FD?
Hey RunItTw1ce! Sorry for the delay, had a really busy week.
7:40 – This is a good question. I don't know exactly when we can do this but I've seen it happen in a few spots before. I think it tends to happen when we are OOP and we want to deny equity to a bunch of draws so we size up OTT to force them to fold even if we're leaving 1/4th pot behind.
I think it mainly has to do with being OOP. When you're IP you don't need to bet as big to force OOP to fold a bunch of high equity draws with no SD value.
25min on J52hhh-2x You say pocket sixes with a heart or 5x with a heart wants to bet and pocket tens with a heart wants to check. Why? Wouldn't TT with a heart unblock some of the calling range 99-66 with a heart or 5x?
27:45 J42cc you mentioned IP wants to use a B40-B50 size because OOP will float too wide. Some people will only use this 30% size on the flop regardless of texture because in the long run it just prints money and people will make their biggest mistakes on later streets. Do you think this 30% size is really giving up much EV compared to a 50% size? A lot of CFPs will simplify to a small size because it allows them to know where they are in their range on later streets, when they carry their entire range over to the next street. What are your thoughts on this?
25:00 – Note that OOP doesn't have almost any 66/77 and no 88+ in HU. The idea in these situations is to bet before hands that require more protection and check hands like TT to keep into the pot combos like 87hx that can't improve to a higher pair vs us.
27:45 – In reality, flop sizings don't really matter all that much, especially when we're talking about betting 30% vs betting 50%. I think that if you're more comfortable playing 30% you should stick to that. That said, I don't think using the optimal betsize would make it more difficult to know ''where you are'' on later streets.
For these bomb pots, are you checking range OOP on all board textures?
I understand being OOP is a disadvantage, but on these low boards where protection is important, does the OOP not have some bets?
Sorry for the late reply mat!
I am indeed checking range OOP on all board textures. The solver likes to lead some of them as you pointed out but I prefer to simplify to no leads for now.
For this type of board in SRP I was expecting to see a polar cbet sizing here, i.e. pot, as we would see in 6-max BTN vs BB. I checked in the solver and you are of course right that this board prefers a small sizing. Why is a small cbet sizing preferred in heads up?
Good question!
It has to do with the sets and 2p symmetry. The higher the low card gets, the more we start using big bets. AK8+ is where the overbet size becomes more common in HU.
In 6 max I assume that this happens because IP has a way more strong range with not as many medium hands interested in betting because OOP improves a lot to TP or 2nd pair, therefore IP just wants to polarise and start making indifferent the Kx combos from the flop.
Yes you are right, the solver goes big on AK8+. On those boards OOP has fewer sets/2 pairs. I guess 8 is also the threshold at which 3rd pairs don't mind checking back as much rather than getting protection/value on the flop with a cbet.
I checked what you said about 6 max, and you are right there too:
IP has way less 3rd pair in range due to preflop ranges
OOP (and IP) has way more top/second pair in range due to tighter preflop ranges
Do you know if this is a trend that exists over other boards in HU as compared to 6 max BTN vs BB, i.e. more of the smaller cbet sizes? I can imagine on any board with low card(s) in HU the SB will have way more low pairs compared to the same board in 6 max, hence the need for more protection in general in HU.
I haven't studied 6 max enough but I'd imagine that this is a common trend indeed.
You talked for a while here about his bet sizing not making much sense aside from a few combos of strong 9X or weak TX. When a bet size doesn't make much sense for an opponents range, does this make you more likely to bluff-catch? I see this often in my games where a player will bluff with a sizing that they think will make you fold, but it doesn't necessarily correspond well with a sizing that a value hand in their range would want to bet. Obviously I am playing much weaker opponents though!
Good question once again.
This is really player dependent. The weaker the player is, the more you would want to bluffcatch vs these custom small sizings IMO. However, when you see a custom big size in general, it tends to be the hand that is worth that exact amount for value.
That's an interesting theory - could you please elaborate a little on why you think there would be a distinction between a custom small sizing and a custom large sizing?
In general, whenever I see a custom betsize I tend to read it as more value heavy. However, I can see how some players might try to use a custom small betsize just to try to get rid of the autofold hands from the opponent's range. Whenever I see a large custom betsize I feel like it tends to be more value heavy because I read it as the opponent trying to figure out how much their hand is worth rather than thinking about getting value from a specific portion of opponent's range.
In any case, especially at lower stakes, I would recommend you to read custom bet sizes as more value heavy as I said.
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