Not Capping Our Range
Posted by Janne Juutilainen
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hi Janne,
very good content,maybe the best i have seen here in a while,only problem for me personaly it was a little hard to listen to sometimes, cause you spend a little to much time sometimes for explaining some stuff,like sometimes i already know what you are gonna say and then you need another 2 minutes or so to express it,maybe its just cause im not a very patient guy :) very good overall,tx.
Hi chipsandsalsa and thanks for feedback!
Glad you liked the content. I do put in extra time for both planning and making audio, as it is foreign language to me, but still need to improve in this department. I am confident though, that i will get better at it, little by little after every video.
Very good video, audio is fine with headphones fwiw
I think maybe next time if you were to make a video for a specific concept you could first do a power point thing like what to consider, diff factors, situations to apply etc. Then move on to examples.
Great video
hello ... i have a hard time believing that no one seems interested by your video ???? almost no comment and almost as much complaint ??? anyway ... recently i became obsses with that concept "being capped" ... i have the impression that a lot resolve around it, at low and middle stakes at least, it is at the core of the game, we dont hit much in general and aggression is a winning strategy, and when you show a weakness agressive players enter immediately, and you have a hard time trying to compensate with a checking range that contain check/raise a lot ... you need to add some counter agression of the second level, the costly one, then with both ( checking with a lot of check raise in your range - the old good slow play - and some bluff very thin on the turn or river ) we have a strong check that can be respected and use as a basis for an easy aggression ... i believe we can go further by playing a little stronger opening range, add some thin value bet instead of checking ...... in short there is things to do but i believe a lot of the game at a practical level seems to turn around that concept for me ... and here i am talking about "holdem" where the concept is even more crucial .................................. i play both games, are you ? ... thank you for the video ... thank you very much.
Hello gerard!
Thank you for feedback and comments. Glad that video raises thoughts and ideas. Personally i play pretty much only PLO cash atm, and just occasional MTTs, both live on online few times a year.
"not capping your range" sound like a dream ... if fact it look like this concept is central to the game, it is directly tied with the fact that we dont hit much at poker ( both game in fact holdem and omaha ) and the strategy of aggression is a winning one, and it should be a constant factor present in our mind ... and as you say if we deprive ourselves of one option ( out of the three we have calling folding raising ) we are in trouble, huge trouble ... the strategies today are constantly improving, constant amelioration happen, it is the realm of experts, we look for a 0.X % edge and fight and spend days for 0,1 % or whatever but the deep and strong basics, basis, are still a field where the all things happen, where the big deal is ........ this video deal about that i think
i think the GTO approach taken recently by many hide somewhat the "cap" concept to those many at the level Janne approach ... of course the GTO answer to the cap concept work perfectly but obviously and paradoxically not optimally ... cause i believe poker is still far from be solve
Hello Janne, glad to see you making Vids for RIO, very interesting topic!
min 23:38 can you explain why calling his 3b ott has higher EV than gii? If you don't fold otr on any blank than imho you set yourself up for some tough decisions when draws get there on a club, an A,J,9,Q, or even 8 or 6.
Hi Eckesach, thanks for feedback and question!
I do still think that calling the turn 3 bet is the best way to go here. We have position and dont actually think we will get bluffed out that often. Our hand in this spot doesnt look like what it actually is, and i think hes mostly putting us on some turned wrap+ mid/small fd combo, which would make alot of sence. If a club comes on river and he shoves, I'm usually giving up with pretty good confidence, because it should hit our range pretty well, and I think bluffing a club in hes shoes might be a mistake. Also he just cant have that many hands that we beat if an obvious draw hits on river and he keeps betting. If we get it in on turn i dont expect to get it in, in super good shape against hes range, and against many plrs folding to turn 3 bet is propably better than getting it in. So overall I just think our position gives us more room to work with and make higher ev decicions on river. Biggest thing might also be that, in times when he has set, and river brings some obvious str8 card or a flush, (and this will happen often), he will be checking hes sets, and we save the potsize bet on river and over 150bbs. OOP this would be a different and alot more difficult thing to handle, also if SPR on river would get like 1/2 pot or less, then getting it in is better if we think we are ahead of his range.
small side note: often players (myself included sometimes) make decisions in a way that we try to avoid tough decicions ( especially in big pots), and taking the "cant be that bad" option, like shoving the turn in this particular hand. And i think in many cases some other line would show better EV. We just need to work harder and outthink our opponents, if decicions will be tough for us in further streets, it will most certainly be tough for our opponent aswell. Eventhough we use it sometimes, i think its usually a bad argument to make a play in sake for avoiding tough spots in further streets. In a game with this much incomplete information, we will be facing tough decisions constantly and we just need to try to be better at them than our opponents.
great video, i prefer if you do these concept videos over live play, we have so much of that already on RIO.
Great! I liked it. I have some questions
46min. River. Why you chosen this sizing? May be pot is better? He is not folding Qxxx anyways
1:01 min. Nice pot
Thanks nesterzhzhot,
46min: Sizing was chosen as an exploitative adjustment because of weaker/non pro opponent, and my reads about him. Against good regular opponents, potting the river with my range is prolly the best way to go, like you said.
44:00 - this is such a valuable hand to learn from, but not just from your play. I think early on in PLO we have a tendency to just bet when IP in order to prevent our range from being capped, and then if we improve we just keep betting expecting to have the best hand. But often it's less important that we get thin value or protection or uncap our range than we make sure that we don't build pots where we're only getting action from stronger hands and ranges. When you remind players to always think about why they are betting I think it's such an important (albeit seemingly simple) concept.
nice work on this video. I've watched it a few times and I still enjoy the content.
In the second hand you check back KT7ss with KT. I think it's a great check but not only for balancing reasons but also if we look at this hand in a vacuum. KT isn't that great on a variety of turncards. I also view this as some sort of equity shift with the nice bonus of being able to raise favorable turns. I don't remember if you mentioned this shift but I think it would be worth to.
I didn't particularly like the KKQ9 hand where you checked KQ6r as the PFR OOP. I think this check is only good against players like the one from the very first hand who relentlessly attack capped ranges. A KQ6r board smashes your UTG range and I wouldn't expect that many players stab at this board with a high frequency. You even said that Villains bet with AQ is unnecessary and I totally agree. Imagine he checks back even AQ like he should, we just see so many check behinds then. And we also don't have that wide of a checking range in this spot anyway as we have a very profitable cbet on a board that smashes us. Furthermore I don't really like the kind of Kings you've chosen to check. With the Q and 9 you block a lot of his ok hands where he wants to put some money in the pot. If I were to check there I'd much rather do it with KK85 where we don't block the Q.
On the KK22 hand where you c/c on K72ss. What do you think is our perceived range? I would imagine we get perceived to KBBB, possibly with hearts a lot. You said he is going to bet blanks usually and I agree, but I wonder what a blank is in his mind. Is an A a blank? A Queen, Jack, Ten? We often make 2pair with our perceived c/c range I think and I don't know if we get a bet often enough on these cards. If we were to assume he checks back a Q a lot, would that make you lead the turn on a Q?
Generally all hands were based on us having the nuts basically and checking them in order to balance our checking range. Would have been interesting to see more situations where we don't have the nuts and the standard play would imply that we cap our range either generally or for a certain part. I still learned a lot from the video and became a bit more sensitive to my cbetting frequencies as I often auto-bet some hands with which a check might have been better, the first hand is a prime example for that.
Very cool .... I have only recently subscribed for elite and this type of video is really helping my winrate at the lower stakes - also the bb and sb videos from this coach. (where'd he go?)
Thanks anyway.
Nothing new in this. Hellmuth already told whole world to check-call the nuts @ 2005 :D
I think he balanced it by check-calling in every single spot.
Very good video
This has to be one of the best PLO videos I've ever seen. I also like the fact that you showed us multiple stakes and how you executed your strategy in position and out of position.
Tip for people watching this video, use 1.5x speed as it is kinda slow. Content is great however
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