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Learning Paths NLHE Quiz: 3-Betting #1

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Keiran Harris

POSTED Sep 13, 2017

Following the positive feedback for his PLO quiz series, Keiran Harris pulls from past NLHE videos to compile a list of scenarios and see how much you remember.

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Rambi 7 years, 7 months ago

Great video i just have a question/answer i would say.
On the 41:20 quiz , i think for population/nowdays cbetting 1/4 30-35% pot is considered entire range/cbeting alot, the question is about regs and we now know from pio calculations that 33% is better then 1/2 in most places etc ( if thi was not regs like rec will bet 50/66/70% even here but the question is about regs)
So for example if we watch Diego Ramirez video he often says i will cbet here alot my entire range and does 33% or 1/4 bet.

So i think in that regard esp based on the pool/player tendecies 33% can be the correct answer?

Also to add to that(last hand KK 3way) for example if the fish button is very check call happy fish for example ( cbet only 30% but calls 70% cbets etc , it should be better to lead then for value? as often we have those passive/call station fish that will call with any 2 overpairs or Axs with bfd.

Thanks for the video and the answers in advance :)

Keiran Harris 7 years, 7 months ago

Yeah I think you’re absolutely right. That’s a good example to highlight how quickly the games can evolve -- when that video was made most probably weren’t having conversations like “we now know from pio calculations…”. It’s why I keep going on about the actual answers being unimportant, and that it’s just a tool to get us thinking about the thought process that went into the analysis at the time.

Another good point on the KK hand – it’s definitely true that the term ‘weak player’ lacks precision. In this specific spot we’re more focused on playing our range optimally against the SB – but if we had more information on just how weak the BTN was (and what type of ‘weak’ they were) it’s entirely possible we’d decide the best path was to bet.

Thanks!

ScotJames1 7 years, 7 months ago

Hi Keiran,

Really like this format. I didn't watch the PLO series but am glad you did this series for NHL. I 100% agree with the study techniques you describe and found the video very enjoyable.

Thank you

Rambi 7 years, 7 months ago

Hey man if you haven't watched anything from him i suggest
http://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/learning-paths-nlhe-quiz-4-betting-3/
it's really good one as well.
Cheers

zache86 7 years, 7 months ago

With all due respect I didn't like the video at all. A lot of the questions have more than a correct answer and even the ones highlighted by OP can't be taken as a rule of thumb.
Many things have to be considered to take some line or not,(sizings,villain tendencies,hand protection,etc) in my opinion the input was at least vague.

Keiran Harris 7 years, 7 months ago

Appreciate the feedback. The goal is not to present rules of thumb -- it's purely to stimulate thought. There are definitely multiple possible answers for several questions, but we're really asking 'why did the pro think this way? Should I think differently?' Happy to re-watch specific questions you felt were too vague -- but there's always going to be a trade off between going into more depth in individual spots versus showcasing more hands.

zache86 7 years, 7 months ago

Of course not as a rule of thumb as i don't believe in them as a poker player. I find myself playing certain spots in different ways as i used to play them 6 month ago.
It would be useful to know the dates of many of those hands/statement by the RIO pros as some of them must be outdated.

I liked that you pointed out that the main reason of the vid was to stimulate thought, so here is mine about some of the hands:

  • SB vs BTN 3b, flop Th5h4c with those hands (JTs,T8s,JJ,AK) you should be betting always except for AK that you should mix between combos holding Ah or not, of course always with AhKh.
    All those hands need protection (of course sizing is another story),but villain tendencies matter a lot because if you have a read that BTN is overfolding Fcb on 3b pots i'll continue with almost everything.

-BB vs BTN 3b with 8h5h on Jd7s9d 9s....first of all , i think this 3b is bad unless villain overfolds 3b or is really weak postflop.
Once we are in the hand i believe 9s is a great card for opponent's range and we should be checking a lot, but if you want to barrel turn anyway you should pick spades or diamonds otherwise you will end up on river with almost your hole range.

-SB vs BTN 3b with KdTd on 8h5d7d, if villain is a rec he won't put us pressure unless he holds a big hand.
Here is were i think tendencies (once again) have a lot to do with our play so the input was vague... i won't play my hand the same way vs a recreational player if he is passive,aggro,calling station,maniac,etc.
Just to get considered our hand has almost 50% equity vs a range of 1p+oesd.
Unless villain stats tell me not to, i'll cbet large this flop.

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