NL Hypers and Solver Assumptions
Posted by Cory Mikesell
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Hey Cory, very cool video!
The software you use to make this graphs is awesome. Is it private or public?
PS: ATM the video doesn't show up if I filter for HU tables.
PPS: You have the same leak as Tyler Forrester used to have: you put descriptions of colors in your tables too low. The problem is that if one stops the video to read those descriptions the video progress bar pops up and blocks the view.
Hey racdbn,
Thanks for pointing out my leak. I'll try to fix that by the next video.
hello, not sure if I understand correctly, but why if we analyzing no limp strategy for btn/sb why he raises 4bb at 25bb stacks? about 15:30 timestamp
He's not raising 4bb, but 4sb so it's 2.5x. I'll have my assistant change it in the future so it's less confusing
and 3bet then 9bb or 9sb ?
It's 9sb over the 2sb that BB already put out to start the hand so the action is 2.5x and a 5.5x 3B. I thought the small leveraged made the most sense given that the large 3B shove was also an option
Great video, Cory: thanks very much for doing this. I've watched it twice and plan on going back through it another time just to look at the solver work you did some more.
I play these games a great deal and my approach varies radically depending on my opponent, but I tend to start with a raise-only strategy when we're at 10/20bb against many recs, and then will shift into a mixed strat at 15/30bb (limping probably ~20-30% of my range), unless villain is extremely passive/underdefending. If I know the person is a regular/solid player (which is actually quite uncommon in my pool) I like to use a mixed strategy from the very beginning. Whenever I watch VbV1990/jackstack/spiritedreal/andrechuvak on Stars (and they are essentially the best players in the world) they all seem to utilize a mixed strat, and I too feel it works the best against the most competent opponents. It was interesting to see that the solver agrees with that, with regards to BTN's win-rate when using that strat.
I should say that I think a limp-only strategy against certain types of recs is an absolute must. There is a breed of player that plays hyper HUSNGs for the sheer rush, and by limping it kind of kills the action they desperately seek. I find this leads to lots of spew on their part and thus can be enormously profitable (but do NOT play slowly/tank against these people, as they will not want to rematch you...and you definitely want to rematch them).
I always worry that playing a strategy like limp only will cause the recs to stop playing you since you're not giving them the rush they want. Maybe that's not true though and they just complain, but keep playing?
That's a good point and I think it does perhaps push some people away (nothing like tanking, though). On the other hand, some people want to be the 'table captain' and it gives them the illusion of being in charge, which many players seem to enjoy.
Hey I've played Hyper HUSNG's for years, so can answer some interesting questions from the video:
Low pocket pairs are 4bet shoved over 3bets as they have around 50% equity vs unpaired hands which often call the shove, and are terrible at realising equity postflop with low SPR. Bottom pair is hardly better than air, and its too shallow to get much value from sets.
Removing limps from the SB range is a bad strat which would be exploited hard by regs. All decent HUSNG players limp 25BB deep, some limp 100% to simplify their strategy. Fish don't really mind vsing limpers as they call always shove over a limp.
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