Anatomy of a Sunday Million (5 of 5)

Posted by

You’re watching:

Anatomy of a Sunday Million (5 of 5)

user avatar

Nick Rampone

Elite Pro

Video Player is loading.
Current Time 0:00
Loaded: 0%
Duration -:-
Remaining Time 0:00
  • descriptions off, selected

Resume Video

Start from Beginning

Watch Video

Replay Video

10

You’re watching:

Anatomy of a Sunday Million (5 of 5)

user avatar

Nick Rampone

POSTED Apr 10, 2013

After a long battle, Nick finds himself in the spot every online MTT grinder dreams of, the final table of the Sunday Million.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

15 Comments

Loading 15 Comments...

Seth Davies 12 years ago
Great series, looking forward to more from you.
Nick Rampone 12 years ago
Hello everyone! I apologize for the delay in replying to comments. I am traveling and not online very much at all. I have a bit of time now, and should have some tomorrow. Thanks for watching and leaving comments. Cheers!
theabstract 12 years ago
Hey Nick, awesome videos. I play the K8 the same way so that was pretty valuable to hear how wrong it probably was. Sounds like you need to have a pretty good reason to think he's shoving like any 2.
Nick Rampone 12 years ago
Hey abstract, thanks for the comment. Yeah man, this was really interesting to me too. At the time, I was really excited about my idea to play my hand that way. I thought this was that rare villian who was so crazy and so wide that he would shove enough hands to make this limp / call a better play. It was very helpful for me to hear other points of view after the hand, and run some quick math numbers to make me realize that my estimations in my head were way off. One day maybe I'll run all of the numbers and try to sort of define this spot a little bit better. That way we can compare them to the numbers that are already out there for basic blind vs. blind shoves - numbers which show shoving makes us a clear profit.
GregGT 12 years ago
Hi, Nick. U r definitely good, man =P Like ur thinking process. But I guess you overestimate a bit devastating power of chipleader. I mean I agree at all that we should fold and fold a lot, but I still believe that fold A7o from CO first-in 4max for example is toooo nitty.
Especially when we were pretty tight all the final table and played about couple of hands (the very first - steal from CO, light-3bet with J8s and then when picked up blinds with AK ) I dont expect him to play back to us all that much. And I also dont expect blinds to be very light in resteals, since you, SB and BB have pretty close stacks and they both kind of handcuffed with ICM payouts, so probably fold a ton (for example I guess its even hard for SB to reshove A2s-A6s). So in general I believe its profitable open with A7o.

And not sure if I like open-limp with QT 15bbs deep, it looks like for me like "damn, I am tired of being that short and folding every hand, I want to play at last and try to win smthing!". I think here (in contrary to A7 fold) we should keep discipline and keep folding, especially when chiplieder can limp a lot of trash and will be I suppose pretty damn callingstation postflop when we dont hit anything and it will be annoying to play 3-4 way (esp OOP to chipleader). And ofc he can raise our limp and we have to fold all day. So with QT I like disciplined fold.

I guess last hand is ok, you should trust your gut instinct sometimes, no matter what he shows. Think the plan was reasonable.

p.s. and pls back to part 4 comments - we need you there :)
Nick Rampone 12 years ago
Hey Greg! Thank you man, for this great response. I am glad to hear what people think on some of these spots. I can see that maybe I was a bit too tight in some of these spots, even with the chipleader on my left. However, I think it's important to note that not all chipleaders are created equal. This chipleader in particular was going to apply pressure, and perhaps not in a normal fashion. I just wanted to point out that a lot of my decions to play tight were made not because I had a chip leader on my left, but because I had this particular chip leader on my left. Having said that, it's still quite possible I played too tight! The A7o hand, I mean this isn't a spot where I could ever fault anyone for opening. And I'm sure nearly every player would. I know I would almost all of the time, even with stacks this way. At the time it just felt like the right move. I know that sounds a bit silly to say, and we're in the buisness of science and not faith or feeling, but I actually made the fold pretty quickly because it felt so right within the game flow. Thinking back it's like well geeze, I had a tight image, so that should make my open get through more often. But I don't think it changes the game flow at all. I am not explaining this very well, and perhaps it's because there is no science to explain, but I hope you can get something out of this response anyways :D I really like your point about them reshoving tighter. I think I made a mistake in estimating that they would be shoving wider than they actually would. Because of this, my open gets through a lot more, and my profit on the hand increases a bunch. One final thought. A reason to fold this hand is that a lot of good things can happen behind me if I do, and zero bad things can happen if I fold as well. Again, good and bad aren't science, but I think this sort of thing is worth considering. If I fold, the chipleader could raise KT OTB and one of the blinds could reshove JTss for example since he's so loose. The blinds could get all in vs each other. With two 20 bb stacks behind, and a crazy chip leader, a player can bust pretty often, and I make a lot more $$. It's a fine line between being scared money and a brilliant strategist, I hope I'm walking it properly :D

That's interesting to hear your thought on how that limp would be perceived. I thought it would be perceived in much the opposite way, but your thought could easily be true instead. I don't think the argument for folding is strong enough though. The reasons you gave for doing it are good ones, I just don't think their strong enough. This is because if we limp, and have to fold to pressure preflop, no big deal. Having 14 bb instead of 15 isn't a problem. Once we get to the flop, we are able to c-bet such a small amount that we're going to make a clear profit. We're going to win this hand postflop so often, and usually right there on the flop with a simple c-bet. Plus our hand is pretty good, and we'd like to play it. I know this seems to contradict the fold we made with the A7o, but I think the spots and hand strengths are different enough where my decisions in each can be justified. I still stand by this QTo limp, and I'm a little bit shaky on the A7o hand. I will stand by that one as well, although like I said, I could never fault anyone for raising and making a clear profit there.

With my bustout hand, K8 limp / call allin. I'm glad you're thinking of my thought process and not the play itself. That is a perfect mindset for approaching and analyzing poker man, I'm really happy to see you using it.

Part 4 comments - I shall return! Thanks for the heads up on that :P

Aleksandra ZenFish 12 years ago
really enjoyed whole series very much, your thought process and decision making , thank you, and hopefully see next series you winning the same game :) till then best of luck to you at tables
Nick Rampone 12 years ago
Hehe, what a great wish! Thanks for watching the entire series Aleksandra, and for all of your wonderful comments on each part. Best of luck to you, and we'll each keep working to get better. Cheers
John Shamwoww 12 years ago
Thanks Nick. Great series.

Really valuable to listen to your sometimes unique thought processes and even though mathematically your K8o hand might be a mistake or what not, it's the mental aspect of the play that makes me, as a viewer and student, learn much more and think of similar spots and creating limp/call ranges and how to deal with similar spots differently than shove or fold what a chart tells me to.

Hope you make more and more videos and continually apply the same thought processes. Really great stuff.
Nick Rampone 12 years ago
Hey John, great to hear from you again. I'm glad you watched the whole series and are getting a lot out of it. What I'm most glad to see is your approach to thinking about this K8 hand. Your mindset isn't about if my play was right or wrong, it isn't about what happened in the hand. Instead you focus on having a neutral, open, analytical mindset. That's exactly what I want everyone to understand and to practice. Keep it up man, always approach poker with an open mind and you'll constantly see new ways to play hands and more ways to improve your game.

That's my thought process, so you can be sure it'll be in all the videos going forward. Cheers man.
John Shamwoww 12 years ago
Great to hear, mate.

You mentioned in part 1 i think in the comment section you planned to do a live session recording as your next series. Is this still your plan? If so, that'd be amazing. That'd go right to the top of my watch list along with James Obst's series. You guys have a brilliant approach to poker i admire and learn from the most.
Nick Rampone 12 years ago
I have one other idea that will just be a stand-alone video for my next video. In fact, I'm working on that now but it's taking some time. I'm also traveling and not around Internet much so I can't record a live session at the moment. I will do so at the first possible moment however, and it will be no later than three videos down the line from here, two in all liklihood. I think that would be a good series too. I think it's important to see how players react on the fly and handle tough situaitons and adversity in the moment, and a live series is the only way to get that. James is one of the 2-3 players I respect the most as well, and my favorite video-maker. It's flattering that you include me in the same category as him, quite frankly. I think a lot of that is due to me adopting things I learned from him into my game, haha. Cheers man.

Be the first to add a comment

You must upgrade your account to leave a comment.

Runitonce.com uses cookies to give you the best experience. Learn more about our Cookie Policy