Thursday MTT Live Session (part 2)
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The hand you played at 49.17 is awful from defending with j4 oop because you think he has a wide opening range when hes opening out of a 20bb stack to check raising the river with a weak 2 pair on a straight and flush board to calling it off when he goes over the top of your river check raise nothing makes any sense.
Hey thanks for leaving this comment jamlundrish. I agree with you that the ultimate river call off is a very poor decision. I'm pretty happy with the rest of the hand though. Starting with preflop. I don't just think he has a wide opening range, I know he does based on HUD stats. Granted his range may not be exactly as wide as the HUD indicates, but it definitely gives me an indication of his approach and tendencies - he's going to be playing a lot of hands. I think with J4s, the pot odds that I'm getting, and my comfort and experience with hand reading, that I have a bit of EV in doing so.
Postflop. I have two pair, and yes the board has a straight and has a flush. In general that makes the relative value of two pair less. It means that some percentage of the time my two pairs loses to straights and to flushes. However, based on his actions postflop, it seems very unlikely that he could have either of those hands. Most of his heart heart hands either bet the flop, or especially the turn when he picks up a FD. Same with straight combinations. I say it's unlikely for two reasons. First, it seems logical to assume that players (loose players especially) would try to bluff with hands that need to bluff to win, sooner in the hand than the river. And secondly, my experience of seeing these situations play out many times supports that notion as well. So, I felt my two pair was stronger than two pair usually is on board textures like this. I felt it was strong enough to merit a raise.
However, when the river action takes place like it did here, it's time to reevaluate. What's more likely, that my above logic is 100% correct, or that he did in fact check back the turn with some kind of heart heart hand? It seems more likely that he did make such a check back, as opposed to him randomly making a crazy bluff. So I'm fine with my play up until my decision to call his unexpected river raise allin.
First I would like to say that I enjoy ur videos:) Second, can I ask about your colorcoding on the notes? How many different do you use and what are they? :)
Hey Dalland - good! I'm glad you're liking my videos. There are two options you have when designing a color-coordinated note system.
1. Base the labels on what stakes and games the player plays, and what type of player they are: elite pro, low stakes pro, recreational player, recreational gambler, etc.
2. Base the labels on a tendency of the opponent. For example, "steals a lot", or folds to a lot of 3b, or is way too passive. Things like that. The idea is that these labels will tell you something specific about the player just as soon as you see the color - Say red = steals a lot. You look down and a red player opens OTB and you have K7s in the SB with 20bb. Now you likely have a profitable shove, but you otherwise would have folded if you did not have a color label on this player.
My system is probably a little bit too complicated, and is a combination of 1. and 2. above. I have 3-4 colors within each stake. So, I have 3-4 different colors for mid stakes regs, 3-4 different colors for recreational players, etc. Each of these 3-4 get into specifics about a player, like if they're aggressive, passive, or like to gamble. A lot of them are very general, too. Actually since I've made the system, certain colors have evolved to mean different things then when I started.
Overall I think notes based on opponent tendencies are best. But I also think it's important to know what stakes and games a player plays. Knowing this can give you some clues about the way they may think, and what "level" they're on. I have put a LOT of work into my note system and to writing individual notes - do not expect this to be easy =)
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