Hey great vid! I really like you approach to the game. Great analysis on the hands!
What do you think about betting river small in the KK spot, like 25%. As you stated there is some value in seeing his range in this spot and I think using a blocking bet accomplishes this best. We will get value from his rare Q's on top and also we don't have to be concered to fold the best hand.
However, it is a bit discouraging for me, because I can see I have a lot of work to do. Your thinking is of course much more advanced than the way I approach the game.
Let's take for example the first hand, where you three-bet AK from the big blind with a stack of about 35 BB. After the flop comes K 9 8, my thinking process at that point is, that with this size stack remaining and this size pot, there is almost no way I am ever going to fold. I am playing more live poker, lower and mid stakes, so maybe it is because in those tournaments, I will get paid more by the weaker hands in the opponent's range. However, in-game and in real time, I am not doing the detailed kinds of range analysis and math you are doing. Even when the dangerous T comes on the turn, because of the stack size, I am more apt to just shove and my mind is just not going to allow me to consider folding when I hit my King and stacks are that shallow.
What kind of thinking are you doing during the hand itself that helps you make more accurate decisions; for example, are there any general principles and guidelines you use, are you going through all possible hands of villain, etc.and is there anything you can recommend to help less advanced players improve their though process in these kind of spots?
Had to pick between urs and Setherson's video picked yours cause of a previous video's and im happy for this decision. You always explain hands in detail and that allows me to get that winning players thinking and the way you work off table so I can do it in the future.
great video.
about the first AK hand, from the bb, u say u 3b some JTs/AT/AJ. Arent you more polar here? AT/AJ are 3b/folding i assume and this seems like u have too strong of hands. I think like 75s 76s are reasonable and cud b used to semibluff now, but dont think JTs/AT or many suited aces (as u also mention these, whcih are also very strong and dont wanna 3b/fold) shud b 3b pre. I know if ur flatted a lot u want to have some of these and be less polar, but idk u cant 3bet them all the time i dont think..,.. as fedor mentioned in his video, it does cause issues sometimes when barrelling when u 3b out of bb bc ur range is polar and doesnt always flop equity to semibluff but this is just the nature of 3betting polar from bb relative to other positions given calling is so attractive.
@bttard
i think in a vacuum the small river lead can be effective, unlikely he ever raises worse for value and (hes quite likely to call with Qx) and he's likely to shove every hand better than KK (as well as his occasionnal bluffs even tho he might call the ace highs sometimes instead of raising and he might fold some other bluffs sometimes)
@GEOabc
I guess a good overall approach is to keep in mind what you and your opponents' ranges look like on every street (each street will take out certain hands so as the hand progresses the combinations of hands he or you can have is diminished)
The math aspect comes when you face a bet more often than not, playing around with softwares will give you a good idea of the equity of your hand vs ranges in different spots as I've done in a couple videos already.
this AK hand, obviously I'm loving the flop too, but his range being so densed around middling-cards, when the Ten hits the turn my hand, as we see from the analysis, drops a ton in equity vs his range and I have to proceed with caution. Some cards will hit the turn or river that will be much better for one's range in a lot of situations, if you know what your range looks like, you sometimes find yourself in a spot where you're thinking "well i never have a good hand here so I'll be doing a lot of folding" etc - it becomes attractive to design your range in a way that you hit the runouts where people don't expect you to hit (you're very likely to get paid)
If you're not as comfortable going through the process, write down each questions you should ask yourself when in a hand at every point, then play like 1 or 2 tables and go through that process for every hand you play, eventually it'll come naturally and you'll be able to play XX tables and think very fats and on a high level. (It's important to look back on your game to see if you're making mistakes when you do get to a point where you're playing more tables because you might not see the mistakes you're making - If you make too many mistakes playing that amount of tables, play less and go through the thought process pattern again.
@ABCplayer (and fivebetbluff)
my 3bet range there will include a variety of hands, value hands such as 99+/AQ hands (sometimes wider), as well as suited connectors 54s and alike up to QJs, I think the best strategy is to use those hands at a low frequency to keep our range strong on different runouts:
"as fedor mentioned in his video, it does cause issues sometimes when barrelling when u 3b out of bb bc ur range is polar and doesnt always flop equity to semibluff but this is just the nature of 3betting polar from bb relative to other positions given calling is so attractive."
I can agree with that but I think we should find a way as a player to get rid of problem. If we decided to 3bet a hand like A5s of JTs vs someone who has a wide range and flats a lot, and we face a 4bet, usually our hand will have enough equity to continue. I guess there's a stack size where it becomes less necessary to have board coverage (my guess is around 30-35bb), but we have to be aware of these situations, and i think 3betting suited connectors somewhere around 20-25% of the time is a good start.
Vs opponents who open wide and whom we don't expect to 4bet much, I think it's reasonable to 3bet a wider range.
P.S. I had a change of plans and I am going to Aussie Millions at the moment, so next video might be about live hands, I played a few cool pot in the 25k high roller @ PCA so we might go over some of those if you guys like.
at 29:00 minutes when building a range for the villian with 15bb against your open with KK you feel he is heavily waited towards AA. I agree with this, but if we changed the situation to a full 9 man table and you were UTG how do you think the villain should play his aj,a10 combos and 99 type hands from this very position.
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Hey great vid! I really like you approach to the game. Great analysis on the hands!
What do you think about betting river small in the KK spot, like 25%. As you stated there is some value in seeing his range in this spot and I think using a blocking bet accomplishes this best. We will get value from his rare Q's on top and also we don't have to be concered to fold the best hand.
cheers
Nice, I like the analysis.
However, it is a bit discouraging for me, because I can see I have a lot of work to do. Your thinking is of course much more advanced than the way I approach the game.
Let's take for example the first hand, where you three-bet AK from the big blind with a stack of about 35 BB. After the flop comes K 9 8, my thinking process at that point is, that with this size stack remaining and this size pot, there is almost no way I am ever going to fold. I am playing more live poker, lower and mid stakes, so maybe it is because in those tournaments, I will get paid more by the weaker hands in the opponent's range. However, in-game and in real time, I am not doing the detailed kinds of range analysis and math you are doing. Even when the dangerous T comes on the turn, because of the stack size, I am more apt to just shove and my mind is just not going to allow me to consider folding when I hit my King and stacks are that shallow.
What kind of thinking are you doing during the hand itself that helps you make more accurate decisions; for example, are there any general principles and guidelines you use, are you going through all possible hands of villain, etc.and is there anything you can recommend to help less advanced players improve their though process in these kind of spots?
Had to pick between urs and Setherson's video picked yours cause of a previous video's and im happy for this decision. You always explain hands in detail and that allows me to get that winning players thinking and the way you work off table so I can do it in the future.
Big thank you! :)
great video.
about the first AK hand, from the bb, u say u 3b some JTs/AT/AJ. Arent you more polar here? AT/AJ are 3b/folding i assume and this seems like u have too strong of hands. I think like 75s 76s are reasonable and cud b used to semibluff now, but dont think JTs/AT or many suited aces (as u also mention these, whcih are also very strong and dont wanna 3b/fold) shud b 3b pre. I know if ur flatted a lot u want to have some of these and be less polar, but idk u cant 3bet them all the time i dont think..,.. as fedor mentioned in his video, it does cause issues sometimes when barrelling when u 3b out of bb bc ur range is polar and doesnt always flop equity to semibluff but this is just the nature of 3betting polar from bb relative to other positions given calling is so attractive.
Hello, what is your approx. 3b range in first hand please?
@bttard
i think in a vacuum the small river lead can be effective, unlikely he ever raises worse for value and (hes quite likely to call with Qx) and he's likely to shove every hand better than KK (as well as his occasionnal bluffs even tho he might call the ace highs sometimes instead of raising and he might fold some other bluffs sometimes)
@GEOabc
I guess a good overall approach is to keep in mind what you and your opponents' ranges look like on every street (each street will take out certain hands so as the hand progresses the combinations of hands he or you can have is diminished)
The math aspect comes when you face a bet more often than not, playing around with softwares will give you a good idea of the equity of your hand vs ranges in different spots as I've done in a couple videos already.
this AK hand, obviously I'm loving the flop too, but his range being so densed around middling-cards, when the Ten hits the turn my hand, as we see from the analysis, drops a ton in equity vs his range and I have to proceed with caution. Some cards will hit the turn or river that will be much better for one's range in a lot of situations, if you know what your range looks like, you sometimes find yourself in a spot where you're thinking "well i never have a good hand here so I'll be doing a lot of folding" etc - it becomes attractive to design your range in a way that you hit the runouts where people don't expect you to hit (you're very likely to get paid)
If you're not as comfortable going through the process, write down each questions you should ask yourself when in a hand at every point, then play like 1 or 2 tables and go through that process for every hand you play, eventually it'll come naturally and you'll be able to play XX tables and think very fats and on a high level. (It's important to look back on your game to see if you're making mistakes when you do get to a point where you're playing more tables because you might not see the mistakes you're making - If you make too many mistakes playing that amount of tables, play less and go through the thought process pattern again.
@ABCplayer (and fivebetbluff)
my 3bet range there will include a variety of hands, value hands such as 99+/AQ hands (sometimes wider), as well as suited connectors 54s and alike up to QJs, I think the best strategy is to use those hands at a low frequency to keep our range strong on different runouts:
"as fedor mentioned in his video, it does cause issues sometimes when barrelling when u 3b out of bb bc ur range is polar and doesnt always flop equity to semibluff but this is just the nature of 3betting polar from bb relative to other positions given calling is so attractive."
I can agree with that but I think we should find a way as a player to get rid of problem. If we decided to 3bet a hand like A5s of JTs vs someone who has a wide range and flats a lot, and we face a 4bet, usually our hand will have enough equity to continue. I guess there's a stack size where it becomes less necessary to have board coverage (my guess is around 30-35bb), but we have to be aware of these situations, and i think 3betting suited connectors somewhere around 20-25% of the time is a good start.
Vs opponents who open wide and whom we don't expect to 4bet much, I think it's reasonable to 3bet a wider range.
P.S. I had a change of plans and I am going to Aussie Millions at the moment, so next video might be about live hands, I played a few cool pot in the 25k high roller @ PCA so we might go over some of those if you guys like.
Good luck at the tables
JP.
pls live hands, those wud be great
hey great video!
at 29:00 minutes when building a range for the villian with 15bb against your open with KK you feel he is heavily waited towards AA. I agree with this, but if we changed the situation to a full 9 man table and you were UTG how do you think the villain should play his aj,a10 combos and 99 type hands from this very position.
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