Moving Up: $.25/$.50 6-Max Zoom NLHE (part 2)

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Moving Up: $.25/$.50 6-Max Zoom NLHE (part 2)

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Felipe Boianovsky

POSTED Apr 23, 2014

Felipe continues his journey through the stakes as he moves up to 50NL.

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Izanagi 10 years, 11 months ago

At 8:26 you cbet the T84 flop but isn't that a flop where it smacKs the fish's range? i can see cbetting being fine solely due to having two overs and the BDFD but would this normally be a flop where you would cbet liberally?

Felipe Boianovsky 10 years, 11 months ago

Yes, you're right, it hits his range too much. So I will only cnet with hands that have good barreling opportunities, as I don't expect to have enough immediate fold equity on the flop. But with a hand as good as that, where we have 2 overs, backdoor fd, and a lot of backdoor straight draws as well, and villains range is going to contain a lot of weak-ish 1 pair hands that are gonna have a hard time calling down on some given turns and rivers, we have a profitable cbet.

OttoPilot 10 years, 11 months ago

Always enjoy your videos.

Curious about the Ks8s on 6c5d3s lead at 1:08, this is a play I probably should start incorporating.

You say this hand isn't good enough to check/call, what would be your cut off for check/calling? All ace highs, what about KQ/KJ?

Felipe Boianovsky 10 years, 11 months ago

Thanks! Yeah, probably all A highs, and that's it. KQ/KJ I'm often 3betting pre on BB vs BTN.

Some hands that do well to balance that leading range is 2pair. They are more vulnerable on turns and rivers, so if we x/r, it plays somewhat weird on later streets. So I'll usually x/r straights and sets, lead with some 2p, x/c a lot of 1 pair type hands, and then balance all of those ranges with some semi-bluffs, gutters, backdoor draws, etc..

jade_love 10 years, 11 months ago

Hi Felipe, thx 4 the video

at 13:26 table 2 you open A8o co, btn calls and small 3bets.

Question: whats your calling range against this 3bet from blinds?

Question2: Isnt A8o a good hand to put on a 4bet bluff range at this scenario?


Felipe Boianovsky 10 years, 10 months ago

Hi!

It could be an ok hand to do it. Always use hands with blockers to 4bet bluff, put just be careful  with your frequencies. If I'm opening all the AXo on the CO and then I 4bet A2-A9o, I'm going to be 4bet bluffing way way more than I should.

And I'm usually calling with hands that play well in multiway squeezed pots, like suited broadways, pocket pairs, etc.

Duttywinee 10 years, 11 months ago

Are you a winning player? I find it hard to believe. 
At what rate are you beating these stakes?

OttoPilot 10 years, 11 months ago
If you think the play/advice in this video is bad, it would be more constructive and interesting if you pointed out what exactly you thought was bad.
Duttywinee 10 years, 11 months ago

i completally understand your point but it isn't relevant to mine. to accept someone's play as profitable i need proof that it is statistically sound over a decent sample size. 

arizonabay 10 years, 11 months ago

This seems like a strange question, considering Felipe makes some of the best vids I have seen on this site or others for that matter. Also, I don't think I am alone in that opinion. He seems to have a good grasp of the theory behind his play and frankly someone doesn't have to be winning to be an excellent teacher/coach. 

Sorry for the rant but I have a pet peeve of people asking about win rates, my philosophy is to worry only about my win rate and if a coach can help improve my win rate I could care less what his is.

OttoPilot 10 years, 11 months ago
You didn't just ask for his winrate, you said you found it 'hard to believe' that he was winning. That seems to suggest you take issue with his play. I'm simply curious what you take issue with, perhaps we could learn a thing or two from the discussion that might follow.


Izanagi 10 years, 11 months ago

At 15:50 you said you would cbet QQ if you were against BB so i assume you're cbetting all your weak Ax hands on the flop. So what does your flop check back range look like? if you're betting hands as weak as QQ on the flop i feel like your flop check range becomes very weak and exploitable so players can just barrel off and overbet.


Felipe Boianovsky 10 years, 10 months ago

Hi!

You can have different strategies here, you can cbet small and more merged, or big and more polarized. I've been experimenting with the 1/3 merged cbet range. Since this board is much better for my range than his, and with people defending so wide now a days in the bb, he is going to miss the flop so much, that it's really hard to defend vs a small cbet. And then I can kind of cbet my entire range.

If that's not going to be my strategy, and I'm going to split my ranges on the flop, then weak Ax becomes an interesting hand to chef-back and strengthen that range, since it's a hand that can't get 3 streets of value out of worse hands. Then I'd be checking-back with 9x, 6x, some K highs, and pocket pairs as well.

Moonwalker 10 years, 11 months ago

Hey Felipe,

A coach from other site said that in NL200 zoom and below, all balance requried is that you have both bluff and value in every spot, nothing more than that. This concept even applies to most NL500 cases except facing top pros. Do you agree?

Felipe Boianovsky 10 years, 10 months ago

I definitely don't like that kind of generalization. There will be players that you can easily exploit in every stake, and players that you can't. If you can, then go ahead and make the imbalanced exploitative play that is going to show a higher profit then the theoretically balanced approach. If you can't, then a I suggest that you study theory more deeply then just "simply having bluff and value in every spot"

Mrt1989 10 years, 10 months ago

At 5:31 you 3bet AJo from the sb and get called. Flop comes 3T7 and you make a cb, think thats a leak. Villian seems a reg (dont know for sure since you dont have HUD up) Given he is a reg , you have zero fold eq on the flop so your plan was to fire a second or even a third barrel if called? Is zoom 6m your bread and butter? By the looks of it you are be or slight winner(1-2bb) at zoom.

Just my opinion , you should have some grapsh to back it up if you make zoom videos that you actually beat those games. (im only talking about zoom) No hater :)

Felipe Boianovsky 10 years, 10 months ago

Although this is a board that will connect a lot with villain's range, I definitely disagree our flop fold equity is 0. He still has a lot of things he should be folding on the flop. 

Also, even though he will hit something to float a lot of the time, he rarely has something super strong, and our range is stronger overall, since we can have all the overpairs. So with our Js blocker, two overs, a lot of future bluffing opportunities, and some immediate fold equity, it becomes a very profitable cbet.

savana_puma 10 years, 10 months ago

Hi u have so many haters here :)

At 50.18 the QJ hand what do u think about ch/r the A river? When he has A he will bet it himself and by checking u let him to bet with his bluffs

Felipe Boianovsky 10 years, 10 months ago

I don't think he'll value bet Ax though. He is splitting with all Ax (K is the kicker), and there isn't anything worse that could really call in my range, and I still have Qx and flushes in my range a lot. Also his range is pretty capped and mine isn't, so even when he might be ahead, I could turn those weak hands into bluffs with check-raises. So basically it's not an ideal spot for him to thin value bet an ace, and I didn't think he would bluff very often there either, so I just went for the value to get called by Kx or Ax.

Insilicio 10 years, 7 months ago

1:09 table 2 lead. Why lead and not c/r? Like u get his air to fold now but if you let him bet and then fold u win an extra bet out of him.

2:35 table 1 is that flop call std? Would u try to defend like 70% vs a cbet here? Like my fold vs cbet is too high so I wonder in what spots it would be good to use the minimum defense frequency.


Felipe Boianovsky 10 years, 7 months ago

1:09, I'm going to both have a check-raising and a leading range... the higher the stakes the less you can just think in a vacuum like this... A good player will defend enough vs check-raises so that I can't auto-profit by bluffing flop... So I got to do it with a well balanced range, and with hands that are going to be profitable to do so... a hand with more equity and more blocker value, like maybe 97, is a hand that I can put in my x/r bluff range, and then the K8s with the backdoor flush draw is a good one to go in my leading range, given it has less equity / capability of making nut hands and winning big pots and less blocker value...

2:35, yeah, w A high + backdoor straight draws on a board dry as this in blind vs blind vs a small cbet you definitely should be continuing in general... play around with a software like flopzila to see how often certain opening ranges are hitting given flops, it's good practice to know how and when to defend yourself vs c-bets and stuff.


Insilicio 10 years, 7 months ago

I do play around with that lately already quite a bit, but I still have trouble estimating when you can call and when not. Are there any basic rules u can use in the sense of like ''u need 25% equity IP on dry boards vs his betting range''? I know equity is not equal to ev but I still have trouble figuring things like this out.

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