great video!
we actually joked with friends about your propensity to punish capped ranges, which made the first hand that much more enjoyable to watch:)
That said, I am missing something on the river, Im not totally convinced that the hands you named are better calls than 88 (esp since 88, unlike 99, blocks 85 as well). To simplify:
you think that his call is bad, because we check the turn with sets a lot more often than we are going to check the turn with straights, so blocking 77/44 is more valuable than blocking 89/85. Correct? That would make sense, but just sheer amount of straights we have ott+the fact that we will bet sets sometimes makes this argument kind of dubious.
That still does not explain why did you mention T9/T8 as a better call than 88. I fail to figure out why.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Having a Ten doesn't block any value bets, so 88 seems like a better bluffcatcher since 88 blocks more value-bets than T8/T9
Excellent video Francesco! You consistently put out some of the best NL content on RIO, and this video was no exception. I was a big fan of this format because most of your videos are theoretical, so it was great to mix it up with some more practical applications of theory/exploitative play to specific hands.
1st hand. You said that don't like his sizing on the flop(BTN). Well his value-range is quite narrow and CO might be checking range, why it is good to size bigger vs 2 uncapped ranges?? For my limited multiway knowledge betting small is what we mostly doing in multiway spots
And disagree with bashing opponent, he can have all reasons to be calling down:
1) He might notice that you flop x/R is too wide and you aren't raising weaker than AT for value (have uncapped CO), I'll put some T9hh, 76hh cause they are good
2) Now turn, very high EV card for you, surprised you checking it. You have far more
98,53,85( 2 last he never has, first is like 4 combo). It is a bit weird situation
3) River you exactly representing 6x+; which is of course nothing wrong. He picks decent bluffcatcher and calls you. It is not like you don't have bluffs
41-11 minute, you said Ace is bad for OOP, but EV is quite neutral compare to other cards ( higher EV than 2s, higher than Broadways), so it is can't be bad card.
It's not one of the worst turns, like broadway ones, but OOP is going to be at disadvantage in the nutted portion of the range (2p+), as some combinations are raising on the flop (including A8 with a certain frequency) and in the medium-high portion of the range (AQ+).
Regarding the first hand, it's a scenario where I have some slowplays on the turn and on the river I'm not only representing 6x for value (if you're never checking sets/2ps/straight on that turn you're making a huge strategic mistake). It's a situation in which most players in the IP shoes are going to be capped at AT, therefore herocalling straight blocker is going to lose a ton. Exploitatively I'm allowed to jam AT+ for value against the 95% of the regulars, as they won't balance strong check behinds on that turn. Also b/call flop with that hand is fairly bad.
Honestly I don't think slowplaying turn make too much sense in our shoes, or make our strategy poor and exploitable (as similiar example we x/R BB/BU and get really got turn, our betting range become over 80%). Turn is just too good and we ''likely'' allowed to use multiple sizing's and bet close to whole range.
First hand, in the video you say you will be shoving trips+ for value and in the end you point out that IF villain makes such a terrible call we can even get away with a "nasty and disrespectful" jam with AT.
Now you are saying that you know you can shove AT for value against 95% of regs and that's what makes 88 the weakest of calls.
I'm utterly confused, what's what?
If your range looks capped at AT you can't afford to make "iper polarized blockers" herocalls such as 88. This only works as a small frequency call in other situations in which your range is not entirely capped and I'm not allowed to overshove with thin value such as AT, because my opponent's range will likely include hands that beat my thin shoves.
I meant that 95% of midstakes regs will be kinda capped at AT in that situation, but it doesn't mean overshoving it's the highest EV play. Of course if they like to herocall blockers it prints money; against most players I think going around 2/3 3/4 pot would be the best play.
Jeff_ It's an extremely dynamic board and IP is not capped (I expect most players not to have a 3betting range there, so they can jam sets/straights on the turn). It's important to have some strong hands, as you need to giveup some bluffs and you cannot play for stacks with AT. Also trapping prevents your opponents to stab too wide against a turn check and allows you to have overbetting opportunities against capped ranges on the river.
Using PIO to explore how exploits actually work via nodlocking is much better then either just talking about a hand like it is 2010 or just going thru PIO screen shots shots like it is 2016. So good job!
Great video, Francesco Lacriola - I'm with simrud on this one. That node-locking at the end of the video was very informative and I encourage you to do more node-locking in future videos! Thanks, Francesco!
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great video!
we actually joked with friends about your propensity to punish capped ranges, which made the first hand that much more enjoyable to watch:)
That said, I am missing something on the river, Im not totally convinced that the hands you named are better calls than 88 (esp since 88, unlike 99, blocks 85 as well). To simplify:
you think that his call is bad, because we check the turn with sets a lot more often than we are going to check the turn with straights, so blocking 77/44 is more valuable than blocking 89/85. Correct? That would make sense, but just sheer amount of straights we have ott+the fact that we will bet sets sometimes makes this argument kind of dubious.
That still does not explain why did you mention T9/T8 as a better call than 88. I fail to figure out why.
Thank you:)
I was thinking the exact same thing. Having a Ten doesn't block any value bets, so 88 seems like a better bluffcatcher since 88 blocks more value-bets than T8/T9
Excellent video Francesco! You consistently put out some of the best NL content on RIO, and this video was no exception. I was a big fan of this format because most of your videos are theoretical, so it was great to mix it up with some more practical applications of theory/exploitative play to specific hands.
1st hand. You said that don't like his sizing on the flop(BTN). Well his value-range is quite narrow and CO might be checking range, why it is good to size bigger vs 2 uncapped ranges?? For my limited multiway knowledge betting small is what we mostly doing in multiway spots
And disagree with bashing opponent, he can have all reasons to be calling down:1) He might notice that you flop x/R is too wide and you aren't raising weaker than AT for value (have uncapped CO), I'll put some T9hh, 76hh cause they are good
2) Now turn, very high EV card for you, surprised you checking it. You have far more
98,53,85( 2 last he never has, first is like 4 combo). It is a bit weird situation
3) River you exactly representing 6x+; which is of course nothing wrong. He picks decent bluffcatcher and calls you. It is not like you don't have bluffs
on Thigh boards it's slightly better to use a bigger size.
41-11 minute, you said Ace is bad for OOP, but EV is quite neutral compare to other cards ( higher EV than 2s, higher than Broadways), so it is can't be bad card.
It's not one of the worst turns, like broadway ones, but OOP is going to be at disadvantage in the nutted portion of the range (2p+), as some combinations are raising on the flop (including A8 with a certain frequency) and in the medium-high portion of the range (AQ+).
Regarding the first hand, it's a scenario where I have some slowplays on the turn and on the river I'm not only representing 6x for value (if you're never checking sets/2ps/straight on that turn you're making a huge strategic mistake). It's a situation in which most players in the IP shoes are going to be capped at AT, therefore herocalling straight blocker is going to lose a ton. Exploitatively I'm allowed to jam AT+ for value against the 95% of the regulars, as they won't balance strong check behinds on that turn. Also b/call flop with that hand is fairly bad.
Honestly I don't think slowplaying turn make too much sense in our shoes, or make our strategy poor and exploitable (as similiar example we x/R BB/BU and get really got turn, our betting range become over 80%). Turn is just too good and we ''likely'' allowed to use multiple sizing's and bet close to whole range.
Nice video, keep 'em coming!
First hand, in the video you say you will be shoving trips+ for value and in the end you point out that IF villain makes such a terrible call we can even get away with a "nasty and disrespectful" jam with AT.
Now you are saying that you know you can shove AT for value against 95% of regs and that's what makes 88 the weakest of calls.
I'm utterly confused, what's what?
If your range looks capped at AT you can't afford to make "iper polarized blockers" herocalls such as 88. This only works as a small frequency call in other situations in which your range is not entirely capped and I'm not allowed to overshove with thin value such as AT, because my opponent's range will likely include hands that beat my thin shoves.
I meant that 95% of midstakes regs will be kinda capped at AT in that situation, but it doesn't mean overshoving it's the highest EV play. Of course if they like to herocall blockers it prints money; against most players I think going around 2/3 3/4 pot would be the best play.
Jeff_ It's an extremely dynamic board and IP is not capped (I expect most players not to have a 3betting range there, so they can jam sets/straights on the turn). It's important to have some strong hands, as you need to giveup some bluffs and you cannot play for stacks with AT. Also trapping prevents your opponents to stab too wide against a turn check and allows you to have overbetting opportunities against capped ranges on the river.
Using PIO to explore how exploits actually work via nodlocking is much better then either just talking about a hand like it is 2010 or just going thru PIO screen shots shots like it is 2016. So good job!
Great video, Francesco Lacriola - I'm with simrud on this one. That node-locking at the end of the video was very informative and I encourage you to do more node-locking in future videos! Thanks, Francesco!
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