$500 6-Max Zoom NLHE (part 5)
Posted by Adrian Milroy
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At 44:06 : Do we really want to fold that 64s vs a Btn min open ?
Easy fold. The hand really isn't that good.
Hello,
I started openlimping. So far I did it very very unbalanced and what I got from it is that a lot of dead and easy money sit around in this spots. Now I'm planning to make a balanced(but not perfect) limping strategy. I think about it a lot and still dont know the answer.
When we openlimp do we need limp/fold range? Both having and not having have a lot of advantages and disadvantages.
What is your oppinion about it?
Thanks!
Ps: please never do a video about how to construct openlimp ranges!
Simply put - I don't think we should have much of a limp-folding range. We don't want to bleed off too much money. For the most part, we should be limp-calling or limp-reraising and I personally think limp-reraising is essential to a limping strategy as it prevents your opponents from isolating you without fear, in the long run. Limp folding is fine only if we keep it to a very minimal part of our open-limping range.
Great video.
The hand where you shipped TT was pretty weird. You didn't want to get 88 in against a LP open, but you 3-bet TT to an UTG+1 open. Some history maybe?
I've now seen you limp AA UTG three times, AKo once, and 66.
What type of range are you limping UTG? I did see you raise a suited connector UTG, which I'd expect you to limp as well then, since an important reason for limping monsters in de first place is protecting your limping range.
I'm slightly confused about your hero calls. In the AA hand on the spade board, you realise that he doesn't have sets or straights (or weird two pairs), and he probably doesn't pot a jack.
Since the board is full of low cards and low spades, he's more likely to have bigger spades, which often 3-bet pre. Also, there's a solid chance he raises a flush on the flop or turn.
A call/call by Villian really doesn't feel like a hand that beats us. More like one pair+spade or gutshot that calls twice.
But then in the TT hand, you say a ton of straight draws got there, running deuces, the frontdoor flush draw got there, and he donk jams into you, which is the strongest possible line for a recreational player.
Your whole analysis indicated that he's strong, yet you feel comfortable calling this one.
And it's probably a little less likely for a recreational player to turn a hand with showdown value into a bluff. They usually just call or fold.
Around 36 minutes in, you flat QTs and flop top two. You raise the flop, presumably for value, and to protect against draws. He calls and you turn the nuts. Do you think it's good to check back here a bit?
You have everything here, so it's a lot less likely he has a Q or T. Probably a bunch of straight draws (with overcards), possibly with a backdoor flush draw, sometimes 7x and some PPs.
All of those hands folds the turn, so you're getting value out of almost nothing, but it you check, those hands will bluff or perhaps look you up.
TY sir, but in the future Chael, plz put timestamps on any hands that you want me to talk about in the comments section.
Jamming TT - Its an HJ open and I get cold 4bet from the BB after I 3bet the SB. This can easily be a bluff so I'll be shipping over this as a value-bluff. I'd rather ship TT over a 4bet, then cold 4bet/call in this situation as I may take 177$ dead, as opposed to calling an AI vs a range that I'm probably at a disadvantage against. Its a value-bluff because my equity is very decent against a 99+, AQs+ range, but not great, but our opponent can still fold which makes up for the deficiency in AI equity. When we call an AI, we don't have that.
WRT to AA hand on all spade board. I think your analysis is correct so far, but on the river, those hands are going to check back. Facing a pot sized bet we are only hoping to beat like QJxs or KJxs in terms of a value range, the rest will literally be a flopped flush and the occasional slowplayed set. I don't think our opponent is ever really bluffing here, its hard for him to have AsXx and want to bluff the river and somehow not have a pair on this board if he didn't raise at some point, maybe As6x is the only one. AsTx might check back thinking they have good showdown equity. I should've made that river fold, its a tough one, but I should've made it. I think betting small or C/F to that pot sized bet was best. If he bet 1/2-2/3 pot, I'd feel better about a CC.
TT vs. recreational player on the board where everything got there. TBH, its not a lot of BBs here and he's recreational. This is a marginal call, and I'd fold this against any reg probably. But recreational players do the darndest things sometimes, and this is a perfect example of it.
36min QTs. I think that checking back could be fine, and definitely protects your range and makes you tricky to play against. I think its actually a great play to check this back some % of the time, I'd recommend it. The only problem is I take away my ability to get stacks in if he gets out of line on the turn or river. I lose out on 150BB more to got into the pot if he has T7s or 77, and he definitely has those hands in this spot, and didn't reraise them on the flop. Those will simply bet/call on the river...I may also cost myself an extra bet vs. AQ, KK and AA. So there's advantages and drawbacks to both plays.
Chael : (about the 64s)
Because this is Zoom we can get another hand to play instantly, so playing this 64s might not be the best play for our hourly rate, but I bet that if Adrian would try to 3bet or call this same exact spot but never fold, it would have a better expectation in bb/100 than folding it every time.
I also think this is prolly a better GTO play because we don't allow the Btn opener to instant profit on his min-raise with a lof of his range against us anymore.
I see 64s as a cusp hand. Could be a flat vs. a min open, could be part of your garbage 3bet range, or could be a fold. In general, playing really small cards OOP as the non-aggressor, or even the 3better can be very difficult and you so often flop two unders, baby flush draws or just bottom pair. You end up having to go on bluffing sprees a lot because your hand is so weak. I still think that there's merit to playing them, but they just flop so poorly most of the time that I try to minimize their exposure.
And about 3betting those hands, think it is just top folding range that has reasonable equity/playability vs callingrange. This way u are able to defend the widest range as possible. Like if button opens 45%, folds 50% to 3bet, he calls about 16% assuming he 4bets some (I realize he might not call QTo and stuff, just for the rough idea, I also didnt check equity vs 3bet range yet etc):![]()
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So yeah if we call about 50% of range vs minopen (and 3bet some nuts obv, also just a rough estimation again):![]()
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U see that top folding range are hands like K3o, Q6o, 79o, but also those suited one gappers etc. Now u just see what hands have best equity vs callingrange. 46s has 35% and plays decent, k3o 36% but plays worse, 79o 32% etc. Think this is reason that 46s etc is good to 3bet. Also if u go to highstakesdb.com and check some good hu players, u will see that lots of players 3bet top folding range, like even 46o etc since they call wider. It is a lot of work to make it playable with constructing ranges on different board textures, but well, gotta work hard for ur moneyz right?
Edit, I don't know why the second link doesn't work, but it was just top 50% of hands really to show hands like 46s etc just fall out of this.
Great vid!
14.17 what pairs do you put in his range ? all the pairs or like 66-QQ or something ?
What do you advice us to flat in that spot ?
Hi,
I imagine you're referring to the top left table where I have AA: I would put all PPs in his range at that point, and some TX hands. Its hard for him to have hands with 4X and 5X due to the 3bet pot and our positioning. Our opponent can also have clubs/heart draws as well, but much less than usual because we are holding the Ac and the Ah...
I see no problem calling the turn bet in our opponents spot with 66-QQ, Tx and XXcc and XXhh. The subsequent river call is another story though. Also, we CAN do other things with say QQ/JJ here, like raise small or jam vs the right person wheres 66 and 77 should be flats in any world vs. any opponent....This is a turn spot that is very opponent dependent as some are very air heavy here, and some are very value-heavy as they enjoy delay-betting a lot of their strong hands.
Glad you liked the vid!
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