I already know about the ctrl-clicking to watch the hands playout where I've folded, but I didn't think of, or know that you could, open up the hand replayer to add notes to players.  That will be really helpful for my zoom game in the future - thanks a lot!

Thanks for your opinion on that hand.  I definitely had difficulty deciding what my opponent had, and what to do about it...

If we LRR 44 there: This situation is unique as we have no history together and it's the first, or one of the first times my opponent is facing my LRR.  Due to this fact, and the fact that we are 150BBs deep. I expect his small 4bet to be extremely heavily weighted towards AA.  Since I think there's a high chance of him having AA here, we are getting the correct odds to set mine OOP.  Since it's a 4bet pot, even if the board comes 4QK, it's going to be hard for him to get away from it with only 2 bets left to getting all in.

With AA there in my opponents spot, I would probably either call, overbet ship, or make a larger 4bet, like 80$+ or so.

If villain CiBs the LRR with most of his entire range, it really depends on who he's doing it against.  Versus someone that only LRRs KK and AA, that's not going to work out for them as they get shipped on all day.  It all comes down to how often the LRRer is actually willing to stack off pre flop when he LRRs.  Vs. those 80%(bluffy)-20%(nuts) players, seems like the right idea...

At the stakes that I play, pretty much no regulars open limp.  I am one of maybe 2 or 3 people, and the other two don't play much.  When I used to play lower, I found some regulars would decide to open limp once in a blue moon in EP, and it turned out to be AA every time, or some 94o obv misclick.  Sounds like you have a good strategy vs the LRRs at your stakes.

Well, I guess you won't be LRRIng KQo anytime soon then, huh...  I realize that TPTK vs. a shortie seems like a simple situation, but I found a lot of "what ifs" in that hand that I thought could be useful to others in thinking about the best way to deal/extract value from SSers.  It seems that you disagree...oh well.

100% agree, no offence but that 15 minutes, and then limp-reraise instead of just raising pre...

Seems sound to me.  Since the J really connects with this board, I'd find it almost impossible for our opponent to have 99/8X here and not bet it, and you're right, we can still have all the monsters...  For that reason we probably could blow him off his JT with a couple bets barring a 7, Q, J  or 8 on the river, of course.  

Although I think this is a good play, and that we should be doing this some of the time, our bluff will only be profitable if we bet twice, and end up shipping the river.  Just a turn bet, is really just burning money...  We need to bear in mind that sometimes our opponent will call with JT/QJ and somehow show up with TQ/T7s, 8X or 99, as unlikely as they may be.  So we need to be prepared to give up our bluff ~20-25% of the time on bad river cards, and know that we will get hero called, or run into the rare funky-played monster every once in a while.  Good idea tho.

@20:30 - I'd put that note exactly (although I'm in CO), mention its a dry board, 3way pot, he's OOP vs. both players and mention that he opened J9o UTG (although I would probably be able to figure that out from my PT3, but that hand itself UTG shows alot of junk being opened).  I may also add that the runout not only included no scare cards, but it's the strongest runout (without improving) that a T can have and he simply tried to blow me off of it.  I might also add that his turn bet setup a pot sized ship for the river, when he had J high, so that could be useful in the future.  FWIW, I have villain at 28.5/27.7 and 19/19 UTG at 6max (only 660 hands at 500NL zoom).

@32:00 I like the lead too, but it changes the pot.  Against that player, who is pretty good and not a super lag, we are probably only going to get raised, and then stack, 6 hands: 88, KJ, T9cc, QTcc, ATcc, AQcc.  Other than that, all his raises will be pure air and all his medium strength hands, like AA, KQ, JT, A9cc, 89cc, will probably just call.  For that reason, we'll probably get 2-3 streets of value while constantly putting the pressure on him, but we won't really get a chance to stack him as if we went for a C/R.  We may stack KQ+ in a brick runout if he wants to make a big bluffcatching call by the river.

KQ 4bet pot hand - Yeah.....  I've thought about that hand for weeks after I played it.  Right now I'm feeling it's something like 60% AA, 20% AK/AQ, 15% XsXs and 5% air.  Part of those numbers comes from me blocking AK/AQ, and the fact the he flatted a 4bet IP, and that this player has never really gotten out of line vs me and generally always shows up with the goods vs. me (making me feel like he has AA more often when he flats a 4bet)...I think you're totally bang on that he's trying to level me into a call/light ship...I'm glad I folded, just didn't think that player was capable of making such a cool play/raise there so it really confused me.

Rob5ter.   When you say: 

"The answer like you also say is almost his entire range except the very top which he will be 5betting but he could be calling with that part as well since he may figure you are bluff heavy with your 4bet and that a 5 bet will only get called by your absolute top range."

I simply don't agree.  I concede that my 4bet was slightly smaller than what I normally make it, and what it should be, but I feel that you have a different conception than me of how often ppl are flatting 4bets at these stakes.  At FR, nobody ever flats 4bets, like 1/100 times, and when they do, its usually KK/AA.  At 6max, its more like 1/20-1/30 times, and its more weighted towards SCs and AQ than KK/AA in my experience.  Perhaps you are playing deep games when this happens more often, but in 100BB games, its just not profitable for winning players to go around flatting 4bets all day trying to "outplay" their opponents when the pot is already so bloated and there's only 2 bets left to get all in....

On another note, I'm glad I'm not the only one whose confused by this line.  Everyone who's watched this video seems to think that folding is the right play once raised, yet we all don't know what exactly our opponent has...

Thx Rob5ter.

No problem again, but I'm glad that you appreciate it.

The 4bet is a raise of 47.50$, and the 3bet was a raise of 32.50$.  So tbh, I think that my 4bet is a std 4bet size.  Perhaps our standards are different as we only cross paths at 600NL.

In general though, I think you're right about IP and OOP 4betting sizing tendencies.  We should probably be 4betting slightly more OOP than IP.  I don't necessarily think that opponents that call your 4bets perceive YOU as weak post flop, I think it's more likely they are the type of player that does it versus everyone because THEY feel that they can turn this spot into a profitable one.

Our opponent is also getting 3:1 (not 4:1), but like I've always been saying about the flatting 4bets topic, their positional advantage is minimized by the fact that we only have 2 bets to get all in and generally speaking, we should have a ton of monsters making up a large chunk of our 4bet range (QQ+ and AK at least) making it hard for them to get away with much. 

My main problem with flatting 4bets with non-premiums is the reverse implied odds. I have trouble agreeing with a lot of the reasoning given by others behind calling 4bets regularly with junkie hands.  However, TBH - I don't consider myself an authority on this subject at all, but as a pro here at runitonce, I feel like I have to voice my opinion about what makes sense to me.  

Dan

First:

We could've 4bet bigger, and it might deter our opponent from calling with garbage hands like K5s or 78s.  This makes it easier to hand read, probably gets more folds, but also puts us up against a much stronger range when called.  You also make a good point that 4betting OOP should probably be a big bigger.  Personally, I feel this 4bet is big enough to severely punish his speculative hands when I'm holding AK/the big pairs and I feel it hits the cusp where he should be 5bet shoving or folding 95% of the time (and most regs are).  I'd want to be 4betting about the same amount with all my bluffs and big hands too.

Second:

This is really difficult to put him on a range here as we have little to no history in this spot together.  It's very possible that our opponent could have AK here, but its such a good spot to ship over a 4bet with blockers, that its hard to see him passing that up very often...  I think AA, KK, AQ, AJs and random suited junk are very likely here.  Another thing to note is that a lot of players polarize their 3bet range somewhat, as in, they don't want to get 4bet when they have AJ/AQ, so they flat those hands pre instead.  If that's the case, its very difficult for our opponent to have any ace whatsoever, and if that, its something weak like A4s, which will have a hard time calling a ship on the turn if we decide to push our entire stack in vs. this type of player.  

If we check the flop, we essentially are losing the pot because there is no manoevering room to take the pot away later, float, etc...without putting our entire stack in with nothing and no equity. By cbetting, I'm looking to fold out all the garbage that will beat us to the pot, and win it if we check.  I don't expect to, nor did I plan on trying, to blow off KK/QQ if they were there on the turn.

Third:

This would require us to be deeper, which really changes the dynamic/ranges of the situation completely.  In short for starters, it might be a good idea to double barrel, threaten our opponents remaining stack and hopefully fold out all but aces and spades.

Fourth:

KK is going to be difficult, and playing these type of hands really hinges upon your type of opponent and the history that you have with them.  Essentially, we would prefer not to get all in as we are usually behind in these spots.  But C/Fing is just too weak.  We should aim at getting one bet in somehow, but choosing a line vs. our opponent that ensures we won't get bluffed off if we chose to make a fold afterwards.

Just a quick heads-up:

http://www.runitonce.com/chatter/extended-hiatus-from-r1o/

So other than a few days within the next week, I won't be answering many more questions as I am about to do some travelling in the next couple months. 

Djdood:

I personally feel that KQo can be played by limping or raising it from EP.  Its really a matter of choice to me, which is made possible by the fact that I think that limping it can be done profitably (as oppose to open limping lets say 54s or A9o).

You bring up some good points surrounding open limping a hand like KQo.  

Other regs either know me, or they don't.  And being part of R1O, I think the days of me not being recognized at these stakes are over.  So unfortunately I don't get the benefit or surprising anybody anymore by open limping.

Regs can VTown themselves, which is why its key to have a strong, high holding like QKo.  You know that if you hit your pair, only 1 hand out kicks you on that card.  Limping with hands like JTs or K8s don't have that benefit of feeling that solid when you make a pair.  This is very important when you're OOP as good opponents will often put you into murky spots which can lead to getting bluffed, missing value, etc...

The deeper stacks behind me don't really effect this decision to limp much TBH.  When we are deeper, say over 150BBs, a lot of players start to get skiddish about stacking off hands like QQ/JJ and AK.  The opportunity to 4bet a 3better is much more powerful if you know they are willing to stack off a lighter range.  This in turn leads our opponents to flat those hands to avoid facing a 4bet and having to play for their stack somehow.  So, if I raised KQo instead of limping it, I could still conceivably call a 3bet and play a pot, but I would never be happy getting my entire stack in with just a pair of Kings or Queens by the end of it.

Its not entirely true that we'd never have the initiative (we can Limp-Reraise sometimes!  Turn the tables on 'em).  But lets assume we never did that, and always just limp-called a hand like KQo.  The vast majority of the players in the world, want to be the pf aggressor, they find it easier to play hands, hand-read and extract value, etc… when having the initiative.  I will concede that its more difficult the other way, but its still possible to do all those things properly as the pf caller.  It just takes time, thinking and effort to learn how.

As I said before, I think most regulars know me, and they also know that they can't isolate me that easily for fear of the limp-reraise.  Even if they do, we just play a 3way pot with the player in the blinds, with the reg as the aggressor IP.  As oppose to: a 3way pot with me as the aggressor, or I get 3bet by the regular IP and the recreational player gets pushed out (obv not what we want).

Hope this helps!